What is a sin for me is not a sin for you and vica-versa - Page 3 - Eternal Allegiance

Leonida · 08-19-2004, 10:41 AM

They are breaking the law, not commiting a sin. For non religious people, things like murder and stuff are obviously still wrong because its illegal, any person with common sense could tell you that. Raul doesn't believe in sins as he is not a christian so he doesn't think he commits sin's, thats not to say he doesn't think he's never done anything wrong or bad.

CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4 · 08-19-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by FormerlyLBFG
Your problem is that you are defining sin as a relative when sin is an absolute. That being said, EVERYBODY SINS! Trying to define sin away so that, whichever things you do which are considered sins aren't, so that, therefore, you can define yourself away as sinless is quite meaningless and futile.

That's like saying you are perfect! In fact, that is EXACTLY what it would be saying!

Simply put, sin is variance from perfection. No one is perfect, and so everybody sins. However, sin is also role-based, as mentioned above.

Why not simply admit that you do sin and just live with that? That would make you.....human

I never said I didn't sin. I never said I was perfect. I agree that no one is perfect and everyone does non-perfect things, which in some eyes may be considered a sin. My whole issue is the religious part. Okay, so we all do things that aren't perfect, but when someone with a big religious chip on their shoulder comes in and says, "You've sinned! You should be shamed and ask for forgiveness! You're wrong for doing what you're doing! You're living your life in sin and God doesn't like that!" THAT'S what I have a problem with. Not everyone believes in God, and even those who do believe in God don't have the exact same beliefs about him/her. I don't believe as you do, so why should I be subject to your religious standards?

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Originally posted by StoneCold
what about the mafia and gangs. they see someone is in their way so they knock them off. someone stole from them, so they kill them. no psychological disorders, just as many would call "bad" people. they don't see killing someone who stole from them or stand in their way as wrong. so it's not a sin or bad to them?

People who can just go around killling other exhibit Anti-Social behavior and although they may not be diagnosed with a psychological disorder, there are definitely traces of it in them.

Stone Cold · 08-19-2004, 01:33 PM

or they can just be good peopel gone bad, doesn't necessarily mean the have to have a disorder

CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4 · 08-19-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by Stone Cold
or they can just be good peopel gone bad, doesn't necessarily mean the have to have a disorder

I never said that they HAD to have a disorder, but I did say that it's likely they do and that, even if not diagnosed by a doctor, might show hints of haveing a disorder.

IamA-BFG · 08-20-2004, 03:10 AM

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Originally posted by Lea
They are breaking the law, not commiting a sin. For non religious people, things like murder and stuff are obviously still wrong because its illegal, any person with common sense could tell you that. Raul doesn't believe in sins as he is not a christian so he doesn't think he commits sin's, thats not to say he doesn't think he's never done anything wrong or bad.

So, according to you, the equivalent of sin for the nonreligious is the governmental law?

If that is what you are saying, then what about unjust laws? Are you saying a nonreligious should follow ALL laws, including unjust laws or else that is a sin in your eyes?

Excluding unjust laws, what if there were no chance of getting caught breaking a law? Would you then consider it okay to break that law, for the nonreligious? If so, then what, now, becomes the definition of what is acceptable or not?

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Originally posted by CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4
I never said I didn't sin. I never said I was perfect. I agree that no one is perfect and everyone does non-perfect things, which in some eyes may be considered a sin. My whole issue is the religious part. Okay, so we all do things that aren't perfect, but when someone with a big religious chip on their shoulder comes in and says, "You've sinned! You should be shamed and ask for forgiveness! You're wrong for doing what you're doing! You're living your life in sin and God doesn't like that!" THAT'S what I have a problem with. Not everyone believes in God, and even those who do believe in God don't have the exact same beliefs about him/her. I don't believe as you do, so why should I be subject to your religious standards?

Most of the people who run around preaching hellfire and brimstone aren't really Christians anyway and, in fact, are masquerading as such to turn the public AWAY from Christianity. It works! There are also a variety of strange religions posing as Christianity (but they aren't) which are really cults. They play on people's desire to belong to a group, exploit that, make them think they'll go to hell unless they join them, and then suck out lots of money from the members. NOT to be confused with the collection plate, which is voluntary, in the cults, it is mandatory, and they also try to keep people from having contact with anyone except other cult members.

Though you haven't explicitly mentioned either of those, I tend to think it highly likely those are really the people you are referring to, rather than genuine Christians who just so happened to tell you something was a sin/bad.

Leonida · 08-20-2004, 07:07 AM

"So, according to you, the equivalent of sin for the nonreligious is the governmental law?"

No that is not what I said so please do not put words into my mouth. I just said just because Raul doesn't believe in sins doesn't mean he doesn't do anything wrong, people without faith still have morals and common sense and they know when things like stealing, hurting others, lying etc are all bad things, they just don't call these bad things sins.

IamA-BFG · 08-20-2004, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Lea
"So, according to you, the equivalent of sin for the nonreligious is the governmental law?"

No that is not what I said so please do not put words into my mouth. I just said just because Raul doesn't believe in sins doesn't mean he doesn't do anything wrong, people without faith still have morals and common sense and they know when things like stealing, hurting others, lying etc are all bad things, they just don't call these bad things sins.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth if I was asking you a question. I wasn't sure exactly what you meant but was guessing and so, therefore, asked if that was what you meant, rather than assuming it so.

That being said, then replace "sin" with "bad things" in my previous post and answer me that. I really don't know what you believe and it isn't making a whole lot of sense to me so, therefore, I am asking for further clarification.

Lemons · 08-20-2004, 11:09 AM

*slaps forehead* Dude, you dont know what youre getting yourself into right now... @_# 1 page.. 2 page.. 3 page.. 4 page.. 5 page..... Trust me i have experience

Stone Cold · 08-20-2004, 11:48 AM

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*slaps forehead* Dude, you dont know what youre getting yourself into right now... @_# 1 page.. 2 page.. 3 page.. 4 page.. 5 page..... Trust me i have experience

i've been in one of these threads before. went head to head with kostaki for a good number of pages. funny enough i left the board for a long time after that, and so did he.

YesJess · 08-20-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Stone Cold
i've been in one of these threads before. went head to head with kostaki for a good number of pages. funny enough i left the board for a long time after that, and so did he.

It takes a lot out of you!