"The Passion of The Christ" Mel Gibson's new Film - Page 6 - Eternal Allegiance

Wdnesday · 03-04-2004, 03:08 AM

Since this is less about the movie and more about religion, let's continue the discussion in GD.

Errick · 03-04-2004, 11:46 AM

Cool with me, thanks for not moving it to the Sewer because I don't go in there.

GrgotSlave · 03-05-2004, 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by Errick
That book was written as fiction. That is all I am saying. It may contain some cold-hard facts, to you. Someone who is not Christian, someone who doesn't know very much about the Christian faith. Isn't it against your religion to become a Christian? You would be killed, correct? I see what's holding you back.

That was very interesting to read about Mohammed. Did he die of natural causes? I understand he was tortured every day. When did this man live? If he lived recently, then maybe you can vouch for that torture. But if you only read about it, it's not the truth (as you have said about Jesus' death on the cross and how extreme His death wasn't - why would Mel have to exaggerate? Read the Gospels, the extremity is there.)

And we sin every day, so we all are dirty (it wasn't meant to be disrespectful, I just didn't understand how Muslims are forgiven for their sin and still don't) until we ask for forgiveness. It says God can't see us, in all of His glory, to answer our prayers to even talk to Him once - you must be cleansed. But you may be dirty and come to Jesus, who washes us from that sin. Declaring salvation.

Why does Jesus (the Son of God, who is as close to God as humans will get) praying to God contradict? God implanted the seed in Mary's tummy, she gave birth to God's Son, Jesus. He died for all of us. To prove that God is real, and it seems we need Jesus' return for people to believe again, faithfully. So that God may save us from hell. It's not enough to have history written in the Holy Bible, you have to see it to believe it.

That is why it is called faith. Having faith in God means that you know He's there. Though invisible, you believe in Him. That is His test. If He was visible to us, everyone would believe. Not to say that we wouldn't sin. But you know this part, Adeel.

Jesus never said to name a religion after Him because man created religion. That is why the Pharisees were against Jesus, because He was blaspheming against their 'holy' temple. When Jesus said "I AM" to the question that He was the Messiah, He was being truthful. Why would He lie? He wouldn't have to. He could have denied it, but that was His destiny to die for all of mankind. Christ was against religion in their terms. They were so devoted to their teachings that they killed their Savior (whom asked for their forgiveness anyhow because they didn't know that He was there to save them). It just goes to show that man created religion and didn't really understand God's offering.

The Bible was written by God's people. Could have been "basically" God's words, as you so generally put your statement ("The Qur'an was not written under inspiration, it was basically written with God's words himself by The Prophet Mohammad (p.b.u.h).") Prophets, devoted lovers of God. Not "Christians" but those that love God for who He is. That is why the Bible is called His Word.

If I didn't have the Bible to guide me, I'd be as lost as Muslims are without their Qur'an.

If I had it my way, all lost people would find God instead of the temporary filling that they think they have when they indulge in drugs, alcohol, sex, and everything else morally wrong. To be rebels, you have to rebel. That is why the world is so rebellious. We need a spiritual revolution.

First of all, i dont think if i converted to a Christian, i'd be killed. I could make the same assumption about a Christian, im presumming. Actually, you'd be surprised how much i know about Christianity, really. I know ALOT about it. I have freinds who are really passionate about Christianity and they teach me it all the time, and i teach them Islam all the time, it's really cool. Secondly, when i was in Junior high, i wanted to learn about Christianity. So i picked a perfect book to read titled, "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science." It is written by a Christian scholar himself. He talked himself how science itself proves the Bible wrong and how it actually shows the true light of the Qur'an. He then shows how he converted to Islam based on his findings. He actually sumbled upon them incidentally and had no intention about learning about Islam.

Yes, The Prophet Mohammad (p.b.u.h) died of sickness. He is definetely not a recent being. He was born on April 22, 570 A.D. I would read the Gospels, although i believe in most of it, Muslims do believe there have been some additions as well as subtractions to it. How do we ask for forgiveness? We dont ask priests or high beings in our religions, we ask God himself with only the true intention of not doing the sin again. Allah is the merciful so he does forgive our sins, but if we commit our sins without care, then we will be punished for it.

As for the reasoning that man created religion, i dont think that's true. A religion follows a Holy Book. Therefore when the Bible was written, a religion was written as well. The following of the Bible is a religion and the same with the Qur'an. Actually, Islam isn't a religion, it's a way of life. I shouldn't have written the word "basically" because the Qur'an IS the true word of Allah himself. Sorry, my bad.

Even if you love God, writing a book under his inspiration still doesn't mean that the book is completely correct. I, myself, can point out contradictions within The Bible directly from where they came from, if you want me to, i will.

Lemons · 03-06-2004, 06:43 AM

I Saw The Passion. One of the best movies ever made. The seats were all full no open spaces. And when i went to the 4:00 showing to buy tix it was sold out.. AT 4:00!!So i bought the 7:30 showing at4:00. I Saw it and it is really amazing. 10/10. Its a very emotional movie that makes you walk out feeling different than when you walked in. Its great! When i came in to the 7:30 showing before it was about to start, there was a line from the box office to the end of the street!! Wow! LoL. And when i left a new one was forming! Its 100% AWESOME! Oh and theres no anti-semitism for all those jewish people who wanna see it. So stop biting your finger nails and go see it. You wont be sorry

JammieJam · 03-06-2004, 08:35 PM

its being released march 26th here in south africa.

PapRoach123 · 03-07-2004, 01:15 AM

I want to see this movie. I think that it'll be one hell of an experience. No pun intended with those words, btw.

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Originally posted by Errick
Cool with me, thanks for not moving it to the Sewer because I don't go in there.

Not? Errick doesn't visit the Sewer anymore?

Unbelievable.

As FC's subforum, it's a lot friendlier than it used to be though.

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 03-08-2004, 05:27 AM

Mel Gibson's controversial film The Passion of the Christ has sailed past the $200m (£108m) mark at the North American box office after two weeks.

It remains at number one and is just short of the returns enjoyed by Oscar-winning epic The Return of the King at the same stage in its box office run.

Word-of-mouth and return visits are sustaining The Passion's success, its US and Canada distributors have said.

The Passion of the Christ earned $51.4m (£27.8m) in the US and Canada between Friday and Sunday, according to studio estimates - taking its total to $212m (£115m).

It took 12 days to reach the $200m mark - the same as The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones.

Bob Berney, president of The Passion's distributor Newmarket Films, said: "I think this is an event or phenomenon, and people are checking it out across the board."

Errick · 03-08-2004, 05:58 AM

This means that if there were other biblical movies, they would be hits in my eyes. That's just how I interpret that article. You can't do the same event in every movie. Though, a real life two-hour movie of Jesus' holy life would be great to watch. I know I'd be entertained, because the Bible isn't the most gripping read. No HOLY book is. That's why you read it a little bit at a time, which is how I do it and I learn more that way because it sticks from what you read into your mind and there until you die shall it be.

I'd love to see the book of Daniel into a more current movie, or Ezekiel. Both great books in the Bible.

I'm not alone in the number of people that wish the Bible would be filmed, every story, every word. Then it would be more entertaining for the like such as myself.

I'm amazed at how well the movie has done. The best selling movie of the year. But wait until Spiderman 2 comes out, as well as the new Harry Potter movie. I'm anticipating how they both will do. Though, both are fantasy they don't have as much controversial appeal and will still do well.

Critics are expecting the movie to surpass the 300 million mark near the end of its run. I want it to do a lot more, and that's not only me.

Errick · 03-08-2004, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by Britneyslave
First of all, i dont think if i converted to a Christian, i'd be killed. I could make the same assumption about a Christian, im presumming. Actually, you'd be surprised how much i know about Christianity, really. I know ALOT about it. I have freinds who are really passionate about Christianity and they teach me it all the time, and i teach them Islam all the time, it's really cool. Secondly, when i was in Junior high, i wanted to learn about Christianity. So i picked a perfect book to read titled, "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science." It is written by a Christian scholar himself. He talked himself how science itself proves the Bible wrong and how it actually shows the true light of the Qur'an. He then shows how he converted to Islam based on his findings. He actually sumbled upon them incidentally and had no intention about learning about Islam.

Yes, The Prophet Mohammad (p.b.u.h) died of sickness. He is definetely not a recent being. He was born on April 22, 570 A.D. I would read the Gospels, although i believe in most of it, Muslims do believe there have been some additions as well as subtractions to it. How do we ask for forgiveness? We dont ask priests or high beings in our religions, we ask God himself with only the true intention of not doing the sin again. Allah is the merciful so he does forgive our sins, but if we commit our sins without care, then we will be punished for it.

As for the reasoning that man created religion, i dont think that's true. A religion follows a Holy Book. Therefore when the Bible was written, a religion was written as well. The following of the Bible is a religion and the same with the Qur'an. Actually, Islam isn't a religion, it's a way of life. I shouldn't have written the word "basically" because the Qur'an IS the true word of Allah himself. Sorry, my bad.

Even if you love God, writing a book under his inspiration still doesn't mean that the book is completely correct. I, myself, can point out contradictions within The Bible directly from where they came from, if you want me to, i will.

I read somewhere that it was against your culture to convert. I was only speaking on behalf of what I read. Sorry for my ignorance. And presuming I would ever become one of the Muslim religion, I would not be killed. Here in America, we have the freedom to whatever religion we decide. We can create our own for all the gov't knows. It wouldn't be a true religion because I don't have the smarts to come up with a religion on my own. I'm...I'm...just being honest.

Do you believe that man's story was a turn directed by God or just by coincidence. I believe there are no coincidences, and since Islam is not a religion based on Christ, I see it as the devil holding him hostage because the devil will provide 'facts' for people to believe. He will do anything to deceive any person. That is the reason for Satan, the cause of all deception. I pray to God that I am not being deceived as I believe wholeheartedly in the power of God and the mercy He gives.

I am thankful every day for my life, and I can thank God personally. I don't have to get down in some certain way to pray, or in some direction. I can stand up and pray, I can sit down and pray, I can lay down and pray. My God is a personal God and He knows my thoughts, He knows my desires. And when I ask Him to take my desires away, He pulls through. He just wants to hear my voice, above all others - He wants to know that I am faithful to what I believe in, instead of denying Him. He knows exactly what I'm about to say before I say it, heck, He knew ten years ago...it's the fact that I said it out loud for Him to hear that makes Him smile. That lets Him know that I am His child, and He is my Most Gracious Heavenly Father. He is my life.

The Qur'an wasn't written under the inspiration from God, but actually God's words. Sure. I honestly do not believe that. God wants to embrace, though He has humbled Himself enough by coming down to earth to teach us through His Son the teachings and the ways of God Himself, He will not sit down and write out the rules. That is what inspiration is from. The prophets wouldn't have to lie, there would be no need to. They wrote from experience, with Jesus, the Messiah. (Who can set all of us free but we just won't let Him unlock us. He's the Key, we're locked. Only one way out.) They saw Him do wonders and miracles, they even saw Him heal. It will take Him coming back to prove that He is real and I doubt He'll be as lenient as He could be.

Christianity isn't a religion to me, it's the way I live my life. Trying my hardest to be like Christ which is impossible because I am not God, but the effort and the point is that I try to be as godly as I can through my life, how I act, how I treat people. Though, I shouldn't share what is holy (which will make it unholy), I will never be knowledgable enough for you to understand God's way. God wants you to be personal with Him. God is and very well could be some giant tyrant that strikes you dead, but we all have free will. And I believe free will only holds us back.

I don't ask priests or high beings for my forgiveness, I ask Jesus the Son of God to forgive me. There's a similarity between the religion of Islam and Christianity. I go to a non-denominational church and all we do is listen to the pastor/preacher speak straight from the Bible. Scripture, scripture, scripture. And the most awesome worship you could possibly experience. You can feel God's presence when you are worshipping Him. He's not just there, but embracing. It's out of this world, and being filled with His spirit is the best feeling I've ever had. Better than getting high, better than getting drunk. Better than all of the sensations in the world. The uncontrollable joy and happiness you feel makes you want to be like that forever. God is amazing and I wish people would open their eyes to His awesomeness, instead of focusing on how 'perfect' they have to be to come to Him. You don't have to be perfect. You tie the shoelaces once you put the shoe on. Jesus is the sole. You walk on Him, but He remains with you. He takes your wear and tear and doesn't ask you to stop being so rough. You don't notice that you hurt yourself each time you do something bad/wrong. You know it's wrong because it's in your heart that it is. You still walk on, though. Once Jesus lives in you, you will want to change for the better into a whole 'nother person. It's not that you're "giving the bad stuff up," it's what you are getting in return. For free!!! You will want to get rid of what is bad to draw closer to God, through Jesus. God is too great to get to without Jesus giving you the latter to climb. Don't turn your back on God, turn your back on the things that break your own heart in the long run. Do things for the benefit of others and for you, within reason (like cheating could be seen as helping another person, but it's pretty much wrong because it does not honor nor respect your own self).

And I'm off, I hope someone reads this.

YesJess · 03-08-2004, 11:01 AM

I saw the movie on Sunday, and was actually disapointed.

I expected so much more, and while it was a good movie, it wasn't what everyone made it out to me. Yeah it was gruesome, but it could have been a lot worse. And it WAS a lot worse. I think people needed to see more to understand more. But, hey, at least it was made.

What I thought was cool was near the end they had the devil walking on one side and Mary on the other. Good vs. Evil.