Nanny

I'm not really talking about flaunting it every second there is and shoving it down people's throats. I'm not talking about walking down the street carrying a rainbow flag singing "It's Raining Men" at the top of our lungs; More like walking down the street holding your partners hand with a smile on your face as opposed to always standing a minimum of 12 inches apart and pretending that you're straight. I'm talking in the sense that we should be able to publicly enjoy it.

Beautiful Mistake

Well, people are "racist" so umm yeah. And that is SO parading your sexuality and shoving it down people's throats parade it's some kind of big deal...

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PapRoach123

Oh, nothing wrong with that. I call that living life. I was talking about something else.


Hmm. Remember when you were bugging Kostaki all the time about it? I remember him talking about banning you even, because you wouldn't stop it. And remember Geiri and how pretty much every post he made contained the word 'gay' in it? Now translate that into a person in the 'real' world and you got yourself one annoying little kid that nobody wants anything to do with.

Geiri was the prime example of turning being gay into a huge deal. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

In Dutch slang, racist is used also for being unfair to homos. Which is the exact same word in Dutch, so racist is exactly what people here will start to call you if you begin to resist. Racist is THE overrated word of the year over here. And last year too. And the year before that.

Starshine

Gay Pride Parades started to bring awareness to gays. Pretty much saying, 'You may think we're unequal because of who were sleeping with, but we're not going anywhere.' The parades were pretty much a protest for equal rights. All gay people want is to be able to marry and adopt children, pretty much. (The sad part about that is, there are millions of children who need a good home, and the government is more concerned that the family they go to isnt gay, then the child actually getting a home.)

The parades are also just a sense of pride. Theres nothing wrong with that. That isnt a contradiction to me either, because there are parades and celebrations for everything. Walking around Toronto, I always see 'Irish Pride Parade!' 'Beer Pride Parade!' 'Vagina Pride Parade!' etc. Irish people arent treated like they want to be the centre of attention if they host a parade, but if the gays do it, they get called out on it.

As Brandon said though, dont they deserve it? After years and years and years of suffering in silence, I say, let the kids wave the flag and dance through the streets. I think its hard earned. We have ONE gay pride parade a year here, I see nothing wrong or overly dramatic about that. The thing is, if they were treated equally, everything would die down. When gay marriage was leagalized here, every marriage made the front page.. for about a week. Now, you'll see the announcements in the announcement section, where it belongs. I dont think people realize that.

FantaOrSprite

Theres a difference in being proud that you are gay and coming in here and calling everyone who posts a closet fag. Thats just fucking rude. Especially when you know it's annoying the person. Just my thoughts...

PapRoach123

The problem I have with that is it seems as though they act as if their country was just liberated from Adolf Hitler. Like they were suffering so much that they had nothing else in life to make them happy. That they had no food on the tables during their time of "suffering". That their family members were killed in battle or in cold blood. That they had no roof above their heads to sleep under. That their entire life revolved around their sexuality. EVERYONE MUST KNOW HOW WE SUFFERED. Give me a break, man.

Sure it was a hard time for them. I know it's not fun. And we're still not where I and most everybody else would like the world to be. But such is life, and the gay society are not the only group of people, nor the only individuals who are suffering on a daily basis. There are people a LOT worse off than they ever have been.

There is a word such as overkill. Yeah they are victims. Aren't we all? Cut it already. There's nothing wrong with celebrations, but claiming the public streets as yours for the taking goes a little too far in my book. Especially in a delicate situation such as this, where society already has a hard time dealing with it all, throwing your gay stuff into their faces equals thinking only about yourself and not the people you're dealing with. These people have given the gays their rights to marry etc, against their own personal judgment most of the time even, so the gays could also show them some respect in return, by honouring their opinions that they still have a hard time dealing with the whole gay aspect.

I also don't buy the "he did it so I'm going to do it too" excuses. There is no right or wrong. People with opinions all valid but contrasting nontheless, have to first and foremost take notice of who's sitting on the other side of the table, and respect their opinions. Then and only then should they receive their fruits of joy, but always keeping in mind where it came from and who got them what they needed.

You could say YEAH BUT WE DESERVE RESPECT TOO, which is the first building stone of a selfish act about to destroy whatever alliance there was first formed between the two contrasting cultures.

Bottom line, gay parade was a form of demonstration a.ka. uprising against how unfairly they were treated. Then the majority of society finally in agreement fought hard to get them what they wanted, so they could peacefully return the favour to society and end the gay parades. However, they did not. Society didn't complain however, but frowns upon it all in silence. The first cracks in the proverbial wall of symbolism built by society and gays together, that wasn't originally meant to come back down. And there's also your reason why the 'normal' gay folk has an extreme disliking for gay parades in town.

Nanny

You make it sound like gays are completely ungrateful.

PapRoach123

No I don't make it sound like that, they are the ones who make it look like that. And that's how society looks at them. I can say to hell with society and they should know better etc, but sadly they won't. Society isn't going to change just so it suits our invididual opinions which are in fact only a few among thousands. So you could choose to stay a rebel forever, or try to blend in just like everybody else is doing.

And if that means giving up the gay parade, so be it. Small price to pay for what you got in return: a normal life. That is my opinion, at least.

soulfire

normal life? taking away a fucking parade isnt gonna give a fucking faggot a "normal" life. sry2say. and i think ur opinion hardly matters considering ur not even a gay and you wouldnt even know what it is to be one.

PapRoach123

Way to go on pushing yourself even further into the box. It's not like you're an alien from a far away planet that my understanding couldn't even comprehend. A gay person is also just a human being. And it's not hard for me to place myself in the shoes of another human being. But if you'd rather believe that you're an exceptional breed, and nobody understands you but those of your own kind, I'm not going to stop you.

I am a little bit ahead of you though. From my standpoint (Holland / Canada) gays already have been given that normal life. I know the USA is a little bit behind on that, and I don't want to bring confusion between the two. I'm talking about the point in time where gays have been given all the rights they need and (in my opinion respectfully deserve) to marry and the likes. A society in acceptance of their 'culture', the whole nine yards.