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Old 03-05-2005, 06:35 AM   #31
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The "trend" could be that a performer's lifestyle is accommodated by the beliefs in Kabbalah. Finding a relegion that works for her is better than not having one at all.
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Old 03-05-2005, 11:10 AM   #32
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First, you say it shouldnt be taken lightly, but then you dismiss it as the "it" thing in Hollywood. Im sorry, but Ugg boots were also the "it" thing in Hollywood too, which is exactly why I used the example. You also pretty much compared Kabbalah to Ugg boots, without saying it. You said that Celebrities tend to go for whats in the moment, which is why you think most of them are into Kabbalah, well werent the boots in the moment? Didnt most celebrities wear them? Im a little confused as to why you said the example isnt relevent.
Oh lord... You know Lynds, I am NOT bashing the religion. If you are into Kabbalah, by all means, do it. I am against making it a TREND. I simply said that boots and religion are not even on the same scale. Religion to me is a bit more important than who wears Ugg boots. Religion is supposed to be a life-changing matter leading to self-discovery, blah blah blah. Ugg boots are to make your feet look better. They are on two different levels. That's all I said.

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The last thing I noticed, was how you dismiss Kabbalah because its popular, and then say Christianity is "coming back". Was it a trend before? If its coming back, will you dismiss it too because it becomes trendy?
I did not dismiss Kabbalah. If you look again, you will see the last sentence of my post is in quotation marks. Not what I actually think. I, in NO way, meant it was the return of Christianity as we know it. That simply became the first religion to pop in my head. If it makes you feel better, take Christianity out of the sentence and insert some other religion. Same concept.

I just think you are getting me all wrong about the whole thing. I never dissed the religion, and I think a person's religious beliefs are up to them solely. I am not trying to come in here and convert people to my beliefs. I would be just as bothered by the whole thing, if Britney said "I'm a Catholic now, because Madonna showed me the NEW way." and everyone in Hollywood would start wearing rosaries... If you are into the religion for the right reasons than that is great. If I'm not mistaken, you're into Kabbalah, right? Well if you are taking this as a personal attack, don't, because I am in no way implying you are wrong for practicing it. I just don't like a Hollywood trend made out of it, which has happened.

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Old 03-05-2005, 11:19 AM   #33
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I agree Alan, that religion shouldn't simply be a trend.

But we don't know Britney, and it really wasn't that trendy when she started it. I think , if you look at her latley, there has been a great change in her, maybe it's been from her marriage, maybe it has been from religion, who knows, but she seems a lot better off than she was when "ITZ" first came out and she seemed wild/trashed a lot, and generally unhappy. So whatever made her that way, thats a good thing.

When people use religion for trend purposes, like those WWJD bracelets, I'm bothered at first, but hey it gets the message out, so whatever works.
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:28 PM   #34
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I simply asked someone to link me (with information about Kabbalah) in my post, therefore I did post without knowledge of the belief system. Or whatever you want to call it. (that was out of sincerity that I said that, not out of sarcasm, I honestly don't know what to call it)...I do see Kabbalah as a trend. But if you get something out of it, I am happy for you.

My comment about Christianity not being a religion if I may explain it, is because [and I know that you might not want to hear it or believe it]...but the religious leaders of the time knew the law and all that, and knew Jesus was coming, then when He did come, they mocked Him and killed Him. How can a religion mock its Messiah? It was prophecied about, therefore making the religion statement null and void. How can a doctrine's leaders be greater than it's Creator? Religion is man trying to reach God...right? (If you do all the right steps, you can get to God - Buddhism) Well, Christianity is God reaching out to man. Jesus died for the sins (because "no one is good," it says in Romans) of all mankind so that man could have a place in Heaven with their Creator...what God does that? None, but the God of Jacob, the God of Israel. That's a love story beyond compare, seriously. Jesus is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life as He says in Scripture.

Jess, I felt the same way about the WWJD bracelets, and from time to time, I break one of my own out. It does get the message out.

This is my sharing post of what I believe in, Lynds - share in your next post. You shared a summary of what Kabbalah consists of...I want to know more.
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:45 PM   #35
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Religion:

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

3. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.

4. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

5. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

No where is there the distinction made between God reaching to mankind/mankind reading to God. That's a "trademark" of Chrstianity, if you will, it was the first religion of it's time to go away from the humans trying to reach God or the divine. Christianity, to me, is without a doubt a religion. Buddhism, on the other hand...I would classify as more of a philosophy moreso than a religion just because there is no "god" in a sense. Sure, Buddha is seen as the founder of Buddhism and others model their lives after his by following the 8-Fold Path and the 4 Right Truths, but the end goal is to reach enlightenment, a state of all-knowing and once you do that, you become a Buddha yourself. Buddhism teaches more self-discipline I think.

Kabbalah...I've done a little bit of reading on it, and from what I gather, as some have already said here, it's not a religion. It's PART of a religion, yes, but by itself it's not. Here's some good sites if you're interested in reading about it:

http://www.kabbalah.com/kabbalah/

http://www.kabbalah.info/

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Whether it be Kabbalah, Christianity, Catholisim, Muslum (I apologise if I spelled any of those incorrectly.),
Muslim = one who submits to Allah, or someone who practices Islam. The religion is called Islam and those who follow it are called Muslims
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:52 PM   #36
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Allen, I didnt say you were bashing, I said dismissing, two very different things. (Just on a sidenote, I used Ugg boots as an example of trend, I didnt not mean they held the same bearing as a religion, I thought I explained that, but I guess not.)

Errick, I dont have time right now to sit down and write up what I know about Kabbalah, but I will make a point to do so later, I promise.
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