Lenghthen

Why are we discussing this here? PMs work just as good as airing out my business in a public thread. I'll PM you when I get off work tonight about this.

PapRoach123

We tried that route already. Didn't work. And this is where you end up. Last time fighting with people because of it all. Every time you come here and post shit about Britney which you later dismiss and then do again, and make judgment calls on people in general, you make your shit their business. We both know why you come here and post this shit. You've explained all that in a public thread already to everyone. Twice actually. People aren't stupid. They can do 1 and 1 is 2 just as well as I can.

Furthermore you don't have to PM me to explain yourself. You're the one who has to live with you, not me. I am asking you these questions because I know that you can't be the asshole forever. You're not like that. You're a kind person at heart. All you need is a little faith in people. Not just people like me but also people like Britney. If you cared enough to have that, none of this would be happening.

GrgotSlave

I mean, I don't really consider beer an "evil" like the conservative society it does. Even in the Qur'an it mentions that beer has benefits and as a Muslim, I take the Qur'an and Sunnah (the actions and sayings of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him)) as how I should live my life, and just to sum it all up, here's a verse from the Qur'an:

"They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, 'In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit.'" (Qur'an 2:219)

Just to show you where i'm coming from.

Well, I guess we both took it different ways, which I could understand. But, you quoted a completely different sentence from me so I was thrown off subject by far.

LOL! I guess we both can take that in different ways, I guess. No, by far I wasn't saying that whoever uses alcohol is stupid, because in the end, I would be the idiot for saying that. What I meant was that when it comes down to drinking and stuff like that, people should do it responsibly. When something intoxicates you to the point where you lose complete realization of thought, then I don't consider that being responsible.

If i'm not mistaken, the initial reason Britney put out this whole "Chaotic" thing wasn't for sheer entertainment, but also to show people the "real" Britney. I sure as hell remember her saying that. I don't agree with you though saying that "Britney Spears is affecting you". In the end of it all, I couldn't care less about what the heck she does. I didn't leave the computer even giving a second thought to it, I don't care that much. And I know I don't critique every move she does.

PapRoach123

Ah see now we are on the same page again. The keyword being responsible. Anybody who doesn't master that should, for their own good, stay away from the booze. But of course, many will choose not to. Still it is their choice... not the smartest choice, but their choice. It's not bothering me though. All I do is shake my head.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

It isnt nice to post such material about someone. wow. Ashleigh, I am always here for you <3333333 *hugs you* I dont drink alcohol and I feel 100% better for it. I hate drugs, I lose all respect for someone when they do that. I didnt see the video or really have much interest in it.

FantaOrSprite

Anyone who 'loses respect' for someone because they drink/ do drugs...did you ever think that a LOT of people who do that stuff are doing so because they have such enormous pain and emotional turmoil in their life? They really are trying to self medicate themselves to solve their problems. Of course it only works temporarily....

But to turn your back on a friend because they happen to be making the wrong decisions, god I hope you're NEVER my friend, because you're just a fucking fair weather friend if thats what you do. Sorry, but thats true. Some of my friends have been on HARD CORE drugs, I mean their veins collapsing because they shot so much heroin into them. Did I turn my back ? No. did I agree with what they were doing? No. But I'm not going to be all Ms. Holier than THou because I didn't agree with it. I did what proper friends did and helped them through it. You never know if you're going to be in that postion one day, and would you want someone turning their back on you?

And if you want to look at it religiously, Christ never would have turned his back or lost respect for someone because of it. He would have held their hand and tried to be there for them.

PapRoach123

No, turning your back on people, that's nice. Tell me have you ever worked with drug addicts? Have you ever attempted to get kids off of drugs? No, you lose respect and turn your back and let those poor kids ruin the rest of their lives because you seem to feel you're better than them?

Well. I have helped MORE THAN ONE CHILD to get drugs OUT OF THEIR LIVES. What have YOU done? Trying to tell me about nice? If I can help a kid off of drugs, then "poor little" Ashleigh really doesn't need a "poor little" hug for compassion only because Stinger went and confronted her with the truth since she claims she can't be helped. Back in the day when my username still reflected my personality I would have said that I would lose respect for lazy people trying to be helpless poor little victims. But instead, "losing respect" is no longer part of my vocabulary and I still offer Ashleigh my help if some day she decides she still wants it. Really no need to tell me about nice. Ashleigh's problem is minor and very common compared to what else is out there. That's why it's not hard to solve with some willpower.

I realize I am cruel now, but the nicer approaches don't get to her, I already tried that. So I could turn my back on her and let her screw herself up more and stop caring like most people would do. But I'm of a slightly different breed. Doesn't take away the fact that I end up low on options, yes. When a hammer is your only tool, every problem seems like a nail. And I'm hammering nails right now.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

Jess, I have put up with the effects of alcohol. My Mum is a severe alcoholic and when I moved out of home, It was like a big weight being lifted off my head. I love my mum but I cant live with her anymore. The hidden bottles, the sight of her slurring her words, falling, dislocating parts of her body. I just cant deal with it anymore. I have tried to help her but she doesnt want help because according to her.. she doesnt have a problem.

I am always here for you Ashleigh, Never forget that

PapRoach123

So everybody is automatically like your mom then? "I lose all respect for someone when they do that." Blame the world because of one single person? That's not nice, heh.

Not all alcoholics are the same, and not all drug users are the same. Have you tried MY method on your mom yet? The not-so-nice way? Or have you just given up on her? Cause let me tell you. With drug and alcohol addicts, the nice ways never work. My methods WORKED though. These people are forever thankful. Your methods clearly didn't. And you have given up on your own mother. And you sit there and judge me? You sit there and you judge all sorts of people you don't even know? "I lose all respect" is quite a statement. That deserves a 'wow' in capital letters. I don't know if there's anything worse you can say to a person who is in pain.

Maybe instead of judging them, and judging me and my methods, perhaps you should concentrate more on actually getting the damn job done. Your own mother heh. If you can't help her, then wouldn't you do anything in your power to get someone else to her who CAN help her? You freakin ran away! I even remember giving you FRIENDLY tips on how to go about it in some thread some time ago. Ever tried them out yet? Did they work? Ever attempted to get more advice from Stinger to help your mom? Are you really done yet?

Or would you perhaps rather help Ashleigh? The less serious problem of the two. The one who isn't your family. The one on some freakin forum.

Am I putting things in perspective for you yet, or am I talking to a wall?

ForeverInLoveWithJus

I have tried to help her. Surely its my business if I want to help my mum or not. You cant help someone who doesnt want to be helped. I dont even bring up the alcohol topic anymore. Its just not worth it. You can only do so much. I would like to think that Ashleigh isnt just someone off a forum. I would like to think of her and others on here as my friends and I am the type of person who likes to be there for my friends.

As for my mother, She will carry on doing what she does best and nothing will stop her.