PapRoach123

It seemed that way, yes.


No need to show proof. What proof you have are results of excessive use as I said, I drink beer myself on occasion and nothing bad happened to me. I'm never drunk and even in the gym my body doesn't respond to it in a bad manner. Whereas the use of certain fast foods will definitely put a set back to my body. Of course beer isn't the only way to clean your kidneys, but all I'm trying to point out with that is that beer is not evil no matter how many labels the conservative society tries to put on it. It is your choice to choose to stay away from it, nothing wrong with that. And the reasons you have for that are yours alone. Let them remain yours alone too, otherwise people like me come around and put some facts of their own on the table.

And just to make clear, because you're still using the term drugs with all it's stigma, and I'm sitting here defending it, I do not justify the use of all drugs. There are of course, those who really aren't going about their business in the most intelligent ways. But that doesn't mean everyone is.


Hold the phone for a second there. You can find it in Ashleigh's post, the one you replied to with "I agree with that completely!". So, what am I supposed to think? Does completely not mean... everything she said?


No, I mean thinking that everybody else is not smart for sometimes touching it is not realistic. Based on what you have seen of Britney, openly admitting that you don't really know any of the background stuff, your statement is "even though Britney or anybody else can do whatever they want, they should still try to make smart choices rather than doing whatever in the world pleases them." I would interpret that as saying, you're smart when you don't ever drink, and you're not when you do. Correct me if that's not so. I hope it's not so, cause I do the occasionall drink too and I wanna be among the smart people dammit!


Yes, but like you said about yourself, it's her personal choice, it might look weird if you perhaps hardly ever see it, but trust me, there's much much worse out there. Can't knock a personal choice if you don't know the hows and whys.

Lenghthen

So I'm close-minded because I don't agree with people drinking and doing drugs? When it all comes down to it, I really don't care what people do. I only care when it affects me in a certain way. However, if I respect so-and-so and I found out that they got high every Friday night, I'd lose some respect for them. Why? Because I feel like they can be better than that. Does it really matter what I think? To me it does. And also, if drinking and doing drugs makes people happy, then they need help.

Overprotected 1

Did it ever occur to anyone that this footage was put on the DVD for entertainment purposes? Some people still like Britney and think she's enjoyable. Personally, when I saw the clip when I got the DVD, I was cracking up. I think she's hilarious. It's really about what you consider crude or humorous. For those who think it's completely "distasteful" for her acting like that, let alone putting it on the DVD, you're letting Britney Spears affect you. It shouldn't matter what this one person does, when there are millions out there doing much worse than her (by the way - where's the solid evidence she's doing something wrong?). I say, until she does something to you, personally, you shouldn't let it bother you. I mean, it's Britney Spears. She's a singer/performer. She's not your best friend, she's not your parent, she's not your neighbor. She put that footage on there for the fans who like her, who enjoy her. Not for naysayers who critique every move of hers.

Lenghthen

I think all of our conversations have moved beyond this video of Britney Spears.

FantaOrSprite

IMO its kind of silly to lose respect for people just because they drink or get high every so often. I lose respect for people when they treat other people like crap, when they steal, when they abuse animals. I'm not going to lose respect for people just because they enjoy a beer every once in a while....

I myself drink probably a couple times a week.it's a social thing. My friends and I meet at a local pub to talk and hang out and play darts. Do I get drop down drunk? No. I have maybe 2 drinks, and I space them out. Bottom line, I have to get up for work the next morning, so I'm not going to drink so much that I get sick or have a hangover. Part of growing up.

Heck everyone around me is Catholic so the church we got to has a BAR in the church. Drinking is a BIG part of their religion. Drinking wine is like drinking the blood of Christ. People that grow up accustomed to alcohol are SO much less likely to become alcoholics than those that are raised thinking alcohol is BAD and EVIL.

As for smoking whatever...I don't like it, but whoever wants to do it can, I dont' care. Don't like the smell/taste/effects.... But I learned that myself. I didn't condemn it as evil. Whoever doesn't want to smoke , I respect them in their choice. Whoever does want to smoke, can do so. As long as they aren't blowing it in my face, I don't give a crap. Pot can become a problem though. I've seen people just get obsessed with it. I don't know why.

You do know you have a problem when you can't have fun without some sort of substance. I got worried that I had to have alcohol to have fun, so I cut WAY down. Right now I don't drink that much, just because it's expensive and I'm saving money.

PapRoach123

You're choosing to be closed-minded because you don't seem to educate yourself on a subject before making a judgment call. Saying that people need help because "drinking and doing drugs makes them happy" is, accompanied with generalizing the shit out of people, a blatantly ignorant statement.


Not everyone who smokes pot and drinks beer does it every week. So I guess you lost respect for me because I enjoy a drink of alcohol too? But you can't tell me why it is bad, really. You have no proof that the occasional drink changed me in evil ways, or damaged me in any way. I however, can give you proof that it doesn't. So what is your statement that "they can do better" based on? It is based on nothing but air. What they can do better in your example is that they would stop doing it every week. But there is no significant damage to it when it's done on occasion. And since you were generalizing, you have basically been saying that you have no respect for my friends, you have no respect for me, you have no respect for, as Swany says, about 90% of the western civilization. Surely that's not the intention here, is it?

I do enjoy a drink of whiskey yes. So even though it doesn't appear from your words, I will assume you mean people who don't know any other way of having fun then. Or people who take it too far. Cause you know, between you and me, I may enjoy some alcoholic beverages, but I'm not the one who needs help.


Agreed. People get obsessed with pot because well, they use it as a stress reliever, heh. And it seems to work a lot better than normal cigs. The addiction is similar to nicotine, as well. These are the ones who need help, such as learning how to deal with stress.

Lenghthen

Well, I know what I mean by what I said. And for me, that's all that matters. I'm not going to sit here and explain myself to someone who already views me as a close-minded, ignorant fool. Sorry. I don't do shit that way. If what I said makes me sound ignorant, I don't give a flying shit. I don't agree with drugs and alcohol and I won't agree with someone else doing them. The end. Case closed. I'm not explaining myself further.

Oh, and I guess you were implying that I was the one that needed help. Oh well, I guess. I'll accept it if you pay for it.

PapRoach123

You think that still works against me? You do give a shit, Ashleigh. Don't pretend that you don't. We've been down this road before.

And if you ever had any faith in me at all, you would know better. This would be about the third of fourth time you lash out at Britney again after stating that you wouldn't. You're going in circles. We've had this conversation before in some thread. Yes, you have issues. I did my best to help you as you said you wanted help. But nothing points towars that. From day one you've been trying to talk for me, and you've been trying to think for me. It doesn't matter how many times I state what I think, you don't hear me. You refuse to hear me. So if you really feel comfortable thinking that I think you're a fool, then I hope it makes you very happy, heh.

But remember this. I know your problem better than you think. Better than all those other people that ditched you because you judged them. The reality of the matter is that, they're not the ones that ditched you, you are the one who ditches them. You're not the victim. You're the problem. And if I was you, I would ditch that fake attitude you're putting up right now, and I would look into my soul and say to myself "I can do better than this." Because everyone here that knows you a little bit, knows that you can do better. You just don't want it enough.

You wanted my honest opinion, this is my honest opinion. Do with it what you want.

Lenghthen

I guess I'm living proof that people don't change. I will always be an asshole and I suppose this proves it. And you're right, I don't want it enough. It's much easier for me to be this way than to try and change.

PapRoach123

Then why do you complain that you have no friends? Why do you say that you hate yourself and that you hate your life?