ManSlippers

It wouldn't matter how many times I wrote it, people are still stupid enough to pick the same damn arguement everytime I make a comment, so its really not my problem whether I type the same post or not. I'm not the sad individual in denial that can actually count how many live performances an artist has had. It seems this time around, theyre determined to prove my point FOR me.

Tom_ea

Yeah well, the Disney special proved to me that she could sing then. The performance of Not A Girl on the AMA was good, and it was on the "Britney" era. The performance of Everytime on SNL was great, and that was recently.

And about the VMAs.. it WAS live. And it was NEVER official that it wasn't live, people just like to find what to complain about. Just give the girl a break.

ManSlippers

And that was how many years ago? What's sad is that when people get on the subject of Britney's voice, they can always list the times she's sang live. That means she doesnt do it often, which further proves the point I tried to make in the first place. And then people wonder why Jennifer Lopez never gets flac for it. Simply because she KNOWS she can't sing, so she doesn't "perform" often. She's doesn't use the fact that she "dances" as an excuse. She doesn't make excuses. Britney does and so does her fans. She's lied so much about it and yet it's nothing to you people. That's sad. She cares more about whether her $4000 hat matches her $5000 jeans, than she does about the people who make it possible to buy the shit. She cares more about shopping, than pleasing her fans.

Do you have any proof that it was? There were several articles posted saying that it WAS NOT live, and even two of the performers who performed WITH her said her part WAS NOT live. And Britney's been known to lie about the shit, so I tend to trust the others, who HAVEN'T proven how much of a liar they are. And it doesn't even sound live.

Tom_ea

Alot of the people that hate the lipping that much are non-fans. You just know that people would find something to talk about anyway. If she was just standing and singing all her songs, she'd be only giving her voice.. which is not enough for some people. Then people would say she's a boring performer.. you just know it. So maybe she just prefers to show the talent she has as a performer - because that talent is something everybody agrees about. She has the presence and she's got everything. I don't wanna justice her lipsynching but I hope you get what I'm trying to say. I do agree that her lipsynching a ballad, or singing along with a backing track (when it's a ballad!) is very dumb and annoying.

by the way, you quoted only the part where I talked about her singing THEN. Then I gave you other two good live performances that prove she can sing. Even if she sings live ONCE, it's enough to realize that she can do it well.





Do you have a proof it WASN'T? And I'm not talking about bitter people (ala Christina). Like, she doesn't seem very objective to me..!

There is nothing really reliable. And Britney's fans are probably the shittiest ones exist... they got no respect to her and everytime she performs, they'll say it was lipped. Errrrr some people even tried to say that Everytime on SNL was lipped. Come ON.

ManSlippers

I see exactly what you're saying. But look at Madonna and Janet. They do all of the things Britney does, but theyre nearly ALWAYS live, and none of them have spectacular voices by any means. The thing with Britney is, that she cares more about shopping than improving her voice...she could easily hire a vocal trainer, and get the hang of singing live and being CONFIDENT that she'll sound good because she got vocal training. But she doesn't feel the need, cause she can count on naive fans to buy into everything she does. And I'm not labeling YOU one, I'm saying in general. She's got her fans eating out of the palm of her hand, when they really have no reason to be. Her entire career is almost a joke to me now because its the same boring thing. Dance moves that don't impress, stage antics that aren't anything new, and the outfits have all been done before. She's just doing what shes done before, and it's very boring and dull...there's nothing that excites me about her anymore, which is sad cause I really put a lot into being one of her fans...but she doesn't appreciate it so she can just count her days until people finally realize that they're being taken for all their worth so that Britney's mom can have a brand new 100,000 car every year...

The thing is, she really hasn't done anything to earn her money. She sells whatever the popular music is. Then she sells her lipsyncing the music you purchased. Wow, she dances in place of actually singing the product she's selling, so that means she deserves all the money she makes. Sure, she put on a good show for awhile, but the steam is gone. Wow, she gets naked on a magazine. *gives her 100 million dollars*

It's really sad. She sells magazines and such, so therefore they pay her to do things to benefit themselves. So she's being paid because of her looks. Her entire career is based on her looks. It used to be her music, but not anymore. Even SHE knows it.

Even her charity is pitiful. The Britney Spears Foundation. Wow. I set up a little camp that 20 kids go to so that they can learn nothing then I can come watch every so often. It's a lost cause. She could use her money to benefit something that actually helps people. It's one thing if the camp was for the underpriveleged, but it's not. She really needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

Only two? I'm sorry, but two performances don't prove shit. For one, I don't even think they were GOOD performances. Well, the Not A Girl one wasn't too bad, considering she's sang that song enough that she SHOULD about have it down vocally, but it still wasn't that great. But Everytime on SNL I didn't think was that great. At first I did, but then I realized she didn't even come close to hitting those notes. It was completely off-key. She HAS THE POTENTIAL to sound really good, but like I said before, she just refuses to get voice lessons which she NEEDS.

And Christina is bitter why? And don't say cause she's jealous, cause that would be a riot. Christina is rather reliable in that Christina sings LIVE, so she'd be happy to report when she was live, and when Britney wasn't. I have no reason to distrust what Christina says. Plus, if it was wrong, Britney would have replied back.

And that's sad. But it is her own fault for lipping so much. Why should they have so much respect for a so called "artist" when you can't even be sure it was a live performance or not? I don't pay money to see her stand there and lipsync a song when I could have just played the CD in my cd player. The added dancing doesn't do anything for me. It just makes it boring. Fans don't know when its live and when it isnt. And it could be completely lipsank but pre-recorded, and fans would believe it's live. See what I mean. When your own fans can't even tell, you've really pulled a fast one. And that's why I've lost a lot of interest and respect for her. I like her new CD a lot, but I know I'll never really hear her actually sing any of it.

I thought it was lipsank too. Especially when I got the CD version of the song. But the only reason I know it was live is because she couldn't hit any of those high notes without being off-key. For all I know that could be the only part she sang, since the little sighs and breaths are in the CD version too...the only part that doesnt sound like the CD is the high part. So again, you never know. And its sad that I have to question it, but she's the one that created that frame of mind.

Tom_ea

Wow, Daniel. That was a long read.. it was quite intersting. Not that I agree with all of it but I see what you mean... it's sad that you are not a fan anymore.. because I remember that after the MTV preview, you made that thread and you said that you're feeling the clips alot and that this album will make you decide if you are still a fan or not. And I saw a post of yours that you like the album, so I thought you're a fan again. So yeah that post kinda shocked me

And I really agree with you about the lipping thing... if she wouldn't have lipped so much before, people wouldn't doubt her now and that's REALLY REALLY REALLY a shame. I think that everything is gonna be harder for her now, because she's already been out for so damn long. If ITZ was her first album, the press may be saying that there is a talented new singer, and that she wrote alot of the album and even composed a great ballad. Seriously, the lyrics for some songs she wrote are good. But she's not really getting respect for them I guess. And the lyrics are just one example...

And I REALLLLLLY agree that Britney doesn't use the full potential of her voice. Right after I heard Everytime on the album, I was like "wow that song HAD so many potential" because of the performance. And that's when she never got training for her voice.. I think she SHOULD get some because I liked the live performance alot better.

Christina... she always sounds like a bitter person to me. She didn't just say "Britney didn't sing live with us", she actually trashed her alot, which doesn't make her opinion that objective or that belivable. Also, she might have just gone ahead with it because she heard that people suspect Britney didn't sing live there. And she was already trying to bash her or whatever so why the hell not.

And about the rest of the things you said... that's really your opinion and I can't fight with you over it but I do respect it.

And Britney might shock you when she's on tour!

ManSlippers

Sorry bout the long post lol. Once I get into something I REALLY get into it! Finally, someone who understand where I'm coming from without thinking I'm just out to bash her. YAY. lol. And it does suck not being a fan of her. I mean as far as the CD goes, the fact that she doesnt sing live or whatever won't change my opinion of it. I just kinda miss being the die-hard I was back in the day. Even my mom knows the words to every Britney song cause its ALL I ever listened to from like..1998-after the Britney album. But yeah, i think I came out of the fantasy world and too a grim realization.

Hopefully, for the benefit of herself AND devotion of her fans, she'll hire that vocal coach. Maybe she would feel embarassed, but its normal. Christina Aguilera has a vocal coach, whitney and Celine have vocal coaches. Its not a bad thing, but that may be what stops her. I'd just really love an entire concert LIVE. I want her so bad to prove me wrong and sing every song live and be great at it. People think my idea of a great voice is someone like Mariah. No. I'm just a fan of Mariah. I think Macy Gray has a good voice. I think Marilyn Manson has a good voice. lol. Its just all in whats pleasing to the ear.

Yeah, Christina's attitude is over all bitchy and holier than thou, but I don't think she'd make up something like Britney lipsyncing just to make her look good. Besides, me thinking it was lipsank anyway, Christina saying so and even Madonna hinting around to it just confirmed it for me. Maybe it was live. Who knows. But with Britney, you never know when its live and when its not. Its whatever I guess. I just hope she realizes a few things eventually before it all falls down on her.

I doubt Britney will shock me. She hasn't in so long...

Tom_ea

LMAO cool, don't worry, I'm not like... umm. I really DO know where you're coming from and I don't wanna sound like I'm just kissing your ass now, but I want her to sing live so much now. I would really love that too, although I'm not sure if it came out well in my posts. It's just that some people are never happy with anything anyway... and I'm not talking about you.



I hope she will too. I think she needs to learn how to breathe right and all.. I was hoping so after "Britney". And I am surprised.. I thought you are a guy that likes only powerful singers so whoa. I don't want to get my hopes too high though, if she hasn't done it in 5 years, I don't know why she would now. She's already used to everything.

P.S I'm reminded about something. I also hope she does it to get some respect, because I heard that she was killed on the Billboard Music Awards. They were slamming her for minutes I heard.


Christina won't ever be reliable to me I think... I listened to "Stripped" and I watched a special about it and I hated her alot less, but now again she shows the bitch she is and her music IMO is not that good to back it up. Madonna hinted that too?! I didn't know that. If there will be a proof that she lipped, I know I'll be shocked because I defended her so much about it.

ManSlippers

Unless MTV comes out and says it or Britney does, there will never be any valid proof.

Yeah. I'm happy at some of the choices she makes or things she does but I'm not gonna lie and say she's perfect like a certain person on this board, but I mean she has flaws and not everything deserves positive responses.

And that's another bad thing. She's used to it, and has no inscentive to want to change. Her career will probably go down the tube before she ever changes the way she markets herself.

I heard about that too. They said something about her lipsyncing I believe. But I think that was the only comment.

Yeah, Madonna said something along the lines of it was live during rehearsals but Britney wanted to make sure the entire performance was perfect".

Tom_ea

That Madonna hint is wow. But I think I'll just give up on that. It sounds live to me and it doesn't make sense that she would be the only one lipping... I don't know.

And appearently they were focusing Britney on that Billboard show too much. They had jokes on everybody and they talked about her for minutes. Here's some quotes from someone's post, I recall alot worse quotes from there though:

"She is the best lip-syncer in the industry"
"When I head her sing live, I have not heard notes like that since I got my balls stuck in a sprinkler"

+ tons more because it went on for 5 minutes.

That's so embarassing for her. Imagine if she was there and they would focus the camera on her. True or not, that's mean. I'm glad she was not there.