PapRoach123

*one day later* I guess it's a no show then. Why does that not surprise me...


Not at all. I am eager to use your examples and point out that your judgment on how Britney "always" gets back on everything ALSO has a huge potential of being bullshit. Every coin has two sides and the stuff that is so obvious to you, which you think is so obvious to everyone else is only one of those two sides.

Your Bazaar example, I can explain to you in detail WITH examples AND facts WITHOUT assumptions why your conclusion COULD be complete and utter bullshit just as much as you think your conclusions are obvious. But don't worry, I won't do that.

First and foremost because nobody really wants to talk anyways. It appears all they want is make their statements. Which in turn invites Jennifer's beautiful sarcasm to the threads, instead of my more serious replies. The second reason is that I don't see anybody taking any trouble discussing the issues as is done on forums, with posts a bit longer than one or two lines. Except Logan. And the third reason is that I don't accidentally want to pop anybody's bubbles, cause it might upset them and they might get all emotional on me again.

I might have even said too much already. I learned through dealings with all those different kinds of people on forums over the years that the greatest weakness a person who points fingers has, is the fear of having the tables turned on him or her.

It is why trollers stop trolling, why posters edit out the content of their own posts, why people start to make their own ban requests, and it is why regular members who are missed by a great deal of the community, disappear and never return again. Without calling or writing.

It's the people who lay judgment without having their facts straight. Ultimately they become their own problem, and then they run away like a coward from a sudden flashlight in the dark.

I come here and I see people saying stuff like "it's hard having sympathy for her situation". I find that really sad because it tells me these are people who allow themselves to have practically no tolerance to speak of. I don't know how much they have seen of the world, maybe Britney Spears is all they know, but Britney is really a saint compared most of the rest of this world. Such a low tolerance on your surroundings is a very ugly character trait, and I promise it'll bite you in the ass one day.

For those who find posts with multiple paragraphs too much to read, and those who think they know better anyways, and those who shrug their shoulders not getting a damn clue of what the hell I'm talking about... good luck to ya!

Lenghthen

I realize that my sentences are laughable when compared to your paragraphs and the way Logan wittingly says certain things. I get that, and that's why I don't post huge paragraphs for everyone to read. But not only that, people don't want to read what I have to say because I'm "always" bashing Britney or pointing out negative things. So, they just skip over what I say. I am perfectly capable of getting a debate going. But like you said, most people just say what they want to say and never come back to check on the thread to see if anyone has replied. I'm not going to sit there and debate on my own. That would look stupid. Believe it or not, I can write paragraphs, and I can debate properly and I can convey myself in a way where I'm not bashing Britney all the time.

Maybe I don't give Britney enough credit. Or any credit at all. Maybe it's because past experiences in my life have made me bitter towards everyone and the sympathy that I once had for others is gone because I've been dealt a shitty hand in life. Is that a stupid way to look at things? Of course. But, no one knows me. No one knows how I really think, what I really feel and no one knows what I think of Britney Spears. "Yes we do. You bash her in every post you make in here." And you know what, that may be true (although it is not). I can't sit here and say that I DON'T do that. But, I respect her. I think she's a good person. She makes mistakes, but she'll learn from them. I do give her credit. But not as much as I should. I am going to admit that 90% of what I say in here is to get people riled up. But, what I say doesn't necessary reflect my actual views on Britney. Britney is still a beautiful person to me. I mean that.

With that said, go ahead and prove me wrong. It won't hurt my feelings. I can't make anyone here think any more or less of me than they already do. Perhaps the Bazaar example wasn't a good one. I now know that it wasn't a good example on my part. I must admit that I was floundering and I was trying to find ANYTHING to use as an example. When a person is backed up into a corner (by their doing or someone elses) they'll say or do anything to get themselves out of there. And that was why I brought up the magazine thing.

Now, with all of that said, I have one more thing to say and then I'm done. I DO have sympathy for Britney. I know sometimes I say otherwise on here, but I do. Watching that Dateline interview made me cry. I can't imagine the shit that she goes through everyday. I used to think I had it real bad because I never knew where my next meal was coming from, my bills were always late, I was living paycheck to paycheck and even then the paycheck was spent the second I got it. My point? Look at all that shit that I went through, and I'm still going through most of it, I never once had a million people scrutinizing my every move. I didn't hear, "Maybe you should get a better paying job." from people the way Britney hears, "Maybe you should divorce Kevin." I don't hear constant negative things like Britney does. And that makes me feel terrible. There are some days that I don't know if I can keep doing this life anymore. But I can only imagine how Britney feels. People are questioning her mothering skills, whether or not she's a good wife, etc. And I am guilty of all of that too. If Britney were here, I'd apologize to her and tell her that it's not always going to be like this. And it won't be. At one point I'll get a break in life, and she'll get a break from constant criticism. I will never again say negative things about Britney. It's like me and her are going through so much right now that what we really need is a friend, not judgment. I know that what she goes through is on a greater scale, but I really do feel her pain.

I also want to apologize to anyone on here that I have offended. I am ashamed of myself for letting my emotions of the moment get the better of me while posting on here. I can only imagine what most of you think of me. But I can assure you that it's not true. Although I've said this once before, maybe more than that, I am going to be more cautious of the things that I say around here. I'm not going to be paranoid about it, but I will think to myself, "What will so and so think if I say this? Will it offend them?" before I say it. I've been here for over 4 years now and I wouldn't trade the knowledge and friends that I've made for anything. No matter how many times we butted heads. And to Jennifer (Moonberry), I am sorry. I have said many things in response to your posts that were said in a hurtful/negative tone. Not just about Britney, but about you. I had no right to do so, so I hope you accept my apology. I really hope that we can be civil towards eachother in threads, etc. Logan, I think we butt heads because we're so alike in many ways. What I said to Jennifer applies to you and I hope you can both forgive me.

Anyway, I'm posting this for my benefit, no one else's. You can take whatever you want from this, or nothing at all if you'd like. I also didn't post this for sympathy. So please don't think that. So yeah, I love you all. And now I'm done.

ElectronicWorm

I guess you don't mind me telling you?!
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(sorry for being OT)

Starshine

Well, thank you, sugar!

Overprotected 1

Wow, I think this is the most civilized that these forums have been in awhile. Good healthy conversation!

Anyway, I think anyone who takes their time to respond in paragraphs obviously has something they would like heard. Ashleigh, don't think that people don't read your posts. Hell, they're probably some of the most interesting on here (we just don't always agree ). When people make posts here, it's not just to be talking, it's because they want to contribute.

I also think people should have sympathy for everyone. That sounds strange, but think about it...who knows where we'll all be in 10 years? We may be going through the same issues Britney's going through, Ashleigh's going through, I'm going through -- whatever. If we pay attention and sympathize now, we may be able to come out stronger later on. People always say to learn from your mistakes, but I think we should not only learn from our own mistakes, but others as well.

As for Britney, I have no doubt she's going through a tough time. Her marriage is under constant scrutiny, her mothering skills are constantly questioned, and she has fans who are losing faith in her. I hope, I really really hope, that Britney has a good support system on her side, whether it's Kevin or a great group of friends. I have faith that when Britney decides to return, she'll be stronger than, metaphorically speaking, yesterday. (No pun intended). Hopefully her fans will be accepting of that.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

Ashleigh, That was incredible what you wrote, you are really a special person on here <3333333 Dont put yourself down like that. We all have our opinions and I think its good to read what others think. If we all felt the same, it would be boring.

I know myself, I love Britney but I dont agree with all her decisions, of course the Bazaar photos being an example. I never thought she would do such a thing but its her decision and I choose to not like it. I do feel for her, she is under so much pressure and I could never imagine being under that much of a spotlight.

I wish I had her money and for a long time I wished I looked like her but alas.. I am me. I am not rich, I live from wages to the next one, I guess I am lucky I have a permanent job and do have money coming in.

PapRoach123

Logan, stop stealing my lines dammit! lol, I like the way you think.

There is indeed so much you can learn from the mistakes that others make. I never look at them and laugh, but instead I take it in me and see where it went wrong. Most of the time the things people do have logical reasons. It's just a sequence of events that lead a person to do certain things. It is a really good way to find out for yourself when to be careful and when not.

Ashleigh, I really appreciate your post. It's more than I was hoping to get from you, even. I can't speak for others, but inspite of everything that happened on the board with you and between you and others, and between you and me even if it's not much, I have personally never judged you. Like Logan said, most of the time taking aside HOW you mostly say things, WHAT you have to say is often interesting to read. To me at least. I think you don't give yourself enough credit either. You could of course always be right about what people think of you, but there bears the question whether or not it is just.

For example, when I was MOD, I put up an attitude too. I did that because it was necessary. Many people hated me for it, but it was something I had to do. But that attitude, isn't really me. I never liked those cases where I had to ban my own friends and such. But I did it because it was my job. You however, you don't have to put up an attitude. There will always be at least one or two people to read your posts, and that is already enough, really. Attitudes don't make posts attractive however, and that is mostly why you get people on your bad side. That counts for every one of us.

I'm a little more thorough than that though, that's why you never got on my bad side. I often recognize attitudes because I practiced the art myself. I give people more credit than they know or think, and I give YOU more credit than you think as well. I can also relate to the fact that past experiences in your life made you bitter towards people, etc. I'm way beyond that stage now though. I took everything that has happened to me as a learning experience and I've built on it ever since. I'm actually thankful now for everything I've gone through, because all that knowledge equals the power I now have to never stop being happy, no matter what happens.

To make clear a few things, I wasn't planning on proving you wrong about yourself and your intetions, nor hurting your feelings, because that's simply not how I roll. I also wasn't aiming to corner you, I just wanted to show you something. My intention isn't to say that you come up with bad examples, but moreso that every example, like a coin, has two sides. Your examples might not be wrong per sé, but the possibility of things being something else is just as much likely. That is why in my life I have the reputation of only judging people when I have all of my facts straight. And then I have yet to decide whether or not I go public with that judgment. Live and let live is basically what it boils down to.

About Britney, I think you worded it well, I think it's a much better approach to an issue such as this than all that other shit. I don't have anything to add to it, except that I like what you have to say. But that is a matter of personal opinion.

Furthermore I want to emphasize that I don't think we should all praise her to heaven and all that, but making it seem like she's a living mistake doesn't exactly make a post seem intelligent either. Some people might indeed want to think before they post perhaps. Or add some more intelligent thoughts to it like you just did. But, that's their prerogative. (no pun intended either )

Thanks again for the effort in your post, and I for one like you much better when you're not assuming an attitude, so if that is what you're planning to do now then yay. lol

Lenghthen

Logan, sometimes I want to call you up and tell you how much I adore you. lol Maybe I should. That'll get a shock out of you. I also wanted to say that I agree with you on basically all counts of your post. I really hope Britney has some sort of support system because she needs it. Much like we all do. I have one and sometimes, unfortunately, they're not always there. Hopefully hers is a more constant effect.

Emma, thank you so much for that sweet PM earlier today. Thank you for the words of encouragement. I believe we all need someone to encourage us day in and day out. I just want to thank you for being that person today. It means a lot to me knowing that there are a lot of people for me instead of against me. I sometimes get so caught up in those who don't like me for whatever reason that I forget about the people like you. So thank you once again.

Stinger, I'm really glad you said what you said. It means a lot to me that you don't judge me and that you can forget past indiscretions on my part. And you're right, I don't give myself any credit. None whatsoever. It's funny because I never really believed that whole, "It doesn't matter what you look like on the outside, if you don't change on the inside, you'll never really be happy." That's so true. I thought that losing all of that weight would instantly change the way I feel about myself. It didn't. I still feel like that fat girl trapped in a skinny girls body. I have terrible low self-esteem, but I'm trying to work on it. That's basically why I don't give myself any credit. I plain just don't like myself sometimes. lol I guess we can all say that about ourselves at one point or another. I swear I'm working on it, though. I just don't want the people important to me giving up on me.

I sometimes go back and read posts that I've made in the last six months, and I gotta be honest, I could be a downright bitch. Sure I could chalk that up to me not being in a good place in my life during that time, but somehow that excuse isn't justifiable to me. I used to pride myself on being somewhat intelligent, that I could carry a conversation, have good debates, etc. But those posts really showed me that I was acting like a no-it-all asshole. It was either my way or the highway. Eh, I don't like that about me. And believe me, I'm trying to change that.

You're right Stinger, I didn't think you gave me any credit at all. Like I told you in a PM, the way YOU view me is really important to me. It always bothered me that you thought I was what everyone else was saying about me. I mean, I basically made your mind up for you. lol Even though I have no idea what you really think of me, I'm glad it's not as bad as I previously thought.

How did you get past that stage of bitterness and resentment? I'd really like to know. I think that's one of my main issues right there. I just can't let go of those who wronged me, and I feel like the whole world owes me something for every bad thing I've gone through. I really want to know how I'm supposed to get past that. Got any tips?

I like me much better when I'm not packing an attitude too.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

Thats no problem I also have felt the way you do about the bitterness and resentment. I have felt that way about how I came into this world and then ended up with the mother I did. I feel a lot of bitterness towards her and I guess that will never change as she wont change. I guess I have learned to live with it.

GrgotSlave

Actually Ashleigh, that's why I always read your posts. Because we really never know what you're going to like, dislike etc... The thing I like about you is that you sit there and say exactly how you feel on certain topics, even if you get bashed for it, which you usually do. More times than not, I agree with the way you feel. Like right know, I'm on your side and I completely agree with you 100%

I know what you mean by that. If I sat there and imagined my sister and her child being bombarded by people taking pictures of her all the time, it would make me really sad and probably put me in depression because of her situation. I do feel sorry for Britney because of her situation and how people call her a bad mom for stupid things (and really, half of those things have even happened to me when i've been taking care of my nephew, and I know i'm not a bad uncle). It truly is hurtful when half a nation says your a bad mother, no one can imagine how painful that is. But, on the other hand, when you invite attention (by posing nude), you're attracting attention, and lots of it. I don't know but I still can't get over that fact. I'm sorry. But it just really bothers me that she said all of that stuff on Dateline and then she did pose nude. I mean, you can't just do that and not think you're going to get no attention from it at all. It's inviting more media, more attention, more paparazzi etc.... It's the recipe for disaster. Maybe she didn't think of it that way, for some odd strange reason. but that doesn't make sense to me at all.

I can't speak for everyone else but I do respect you because of the guts you have sometimes to say the things you say. If it were me, I wouldn't bother to post it but sometimes I like when you post or say things, it makes me feel happy that someone else feels the same way I do, even though I may not say it, which I should do more often. But I enjoy reading your posts. Seriously, your posts are the ones that I'd actually read after scrolling down really fast. I'd stop to read what you have to say.