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Old 05-15-2005, 05:00 PM   #1
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Star Wars Episode III Raises Questions on U.S. Policy
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Without Michael Moore and "Fahrenheit 9/11" at the Cannes Film Festival this time, it was left to George Lucas and "Star Wars" to pique European ire over the state of world relations and the United States' role in it.

Lucas' themes of democracy on the skids and a ruler preaching war to preserve the peace predate "Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith" by almost 30 years. Yet viewers Sunday and Lucas himself noted similarities between the final chapter of his sci-fi saga and our own troubled times.

Cannes audiences made blunt comparisons between "Revenge of the Sith" the story of Anakin Skywalker's fall to the dark side and the rise of an emperor through warmongering to President Bush's war on terrorism and the invasion of Iraq.

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Two lines from the movie especially resonated:

"This is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause," bemoans Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman) as the galactic Senate cheers dictator-in-waiting Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) while he announces a crusade against the Jedi.

"If you're not with me, then you're my enemy," Hayden Christensen's Anakin soon to become villain Darth Vader tells former mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor). The line echoes Bush's international ultimatum after the Sept. 11 attacks, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

"That quote is almost a perfect citation of Bush," said Liam Engle, a 23-year-old French-American aspiring filmmaker. "Plus, you've got a politician trying to increase his power to wage a phony war."

Though the plot was written years ago, "the anti-Bush diatribe is clearly there," Engle said.

The film opens Wednesday in parts of Europe and Thursday in the United States and many other countries. At the Cannes premiere Sunday night, actors in white stormtrooper costumes paraded up and down the red carpet as guests strolled in, while an orchestra played the "Star Wars" theme.

Lucas said he patterned his story after historical transformations from freedom to fascism, never figuring when he started his prequel trilogy in the late 1990s that current events might parallel his space fantasy.

"As you go through history, I didn't think it was going to get quite this close. So it's just one of those recurring things," Lucas said at a Cannes news conference. "I hope this doesn't come true in our country.

"Maybe the film will waken people to the situation," Lucas joked.

That comment echoes Moore's rhetoric at Cannes last year, when his anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" won the festival's top honor.

Unlike Moore, whose Cannes visit came off like an anybody-but-Bush campaign stop, Lucas never mentioned the president by name but was eager to speak his mind on U.S. policy in Iraq, careful again to note that he created the story long before the Bush-led occupation there.

"When I wrote it, Iraq didn't exist," Lucas said, laughing.

"We were just funding Saddam Hussein and giving him weapons of mass destruction. We didn't think of him as an enemy at that time. We were going after Iran and using him as our surrogate, just as we were doing in Vietnam. ... The parallels between what we did in Vietnam and what we're doing in Iraq now are unbelievable."

The prequel trilogy is based on a back-story outline Lucas created in the mid-1970s for the original three "Star Wars" movies, so the themes percolated out of the Vietnam War and the Nixon-Watergate era, he said.

Lucas began researching how democracies can turn into dictatorships with full consent of the electorate.

In ancient Rome, "why did the senate after killing Caesar turn around and give the government to his nephew?" Lucas said. "Why did France after they got rid of the king and that whole system turn around and give it to Napoleon? It's the same thing with Germany and Hitler.

"You sort of see these recurring themes where a democracy turns itself into a dictatorship, and it always seems to happen kind of in the same way, with the same kinds of issues, and threats from the outside, needing more control. A democratic body, a senate, not being able to function properly because everybody's squabbling, there's corruption."

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Old 05-15-2005, 09:57 PM   #2
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It's a fictional story. It's not history.

And to borrow from an awesome friend of mine's blog:
http://rilian.blogspot.com/2005/02/w...-religion.html

I'm sure we've all heard one of the lamest excuses people use of why "religion" is bad -- War. Well, I've decided to name the major wars of JUST our country. Notice that NONE of them were about "religion."

Revolutionary War
War of 1812
Mexican War
Civil War
Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Vietnam War
Gulf War

Only the recent War in Iraq is about religion...and that religion is Islam, whose "holy" book teaches Muslims that if someone cannot be converted to Islam they should kill them...preferably by beheading. This is not how Christianity works.

It amazes me how some people want to just abandon Israel. Maybe they should pull out a map and see how small it is. They should see how vast the space around them is that is occupied by Islam, a religion which says take no Jew or Christian to be their friend. (This is in their scriptures.) They should realize that if we abandon Israel, it is the same as watching a group of ten or so bullies beating up a small kid and not doing a thing about it.

"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. "
--Matthew 24:12

"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."
--Zechariah 12:2

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My thoughts about your possible responses: This may not be about religion, but let this thread get posts in it and someone will call Bush a cruddy conservative (minus the few expletives users frequently incorporate in their vocabulary) and then someone will blame the war on religion, and then my post fits perfect. And now, this thread will get no replies because what my friend on his blog said is correct/true.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:25 AM   #3
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Only the recent War in Iraq is about religion...and that religion is Islam, whose "holy" book teaches Muslims that if someone cannot be converted to Islam they should kill them...preferably by beheading.
That's an interpretation by a madman. I don't believe that is what the Qur’an itself says. The Islam is a peaceful religion. It's just that people like Bin Laden give it a bad name.

Not only that, but if you do what pretty much every non-believer does (blame it on the religion), and you go ahead and start insulting the Islam because of this, Bin Laden will turn around to the innocent people who are peaceful Muslims who didn't do a thing wrong, and he will show them what Americans and Europeans say about their religion. As you may know, insulting religion is a serious offense in the Islam. And that's how he manipulates them into thinking that we suck. And THAT's what this is all about.

One thing I believe our society should learn, is to think before we speak. Sometimes freedom of expression is taken a bit too literally here, and people who don't deserve it will be offended. Respect is important, and I don't like how easily people forget because they start thinking about their own asses a little too much.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:49 PM   #4
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Originally posted by Errick
It's a fictional story. It's not history.

And to borrow from an awesome friend of mine's blog:
http://rilian.blogspot.com/2005/02/w...-religion.html

I'm sure we've all heard one of the lamest excuses people use of why "religion" is bad -- War. Well, I've decided to name the major wars of JUST our country. Notice that NONE of them were about "religion."

Revolutionary War
War of 1812
Mexican War
Civil War
Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Vietnam War
Gulf War

Only the recent War in Iraq is about religion...and that religion is Islam, whose "holy" book teaches Muslims that if someone cannot be converted to Islam they should kill them...preferably by beheading. This is not how Christianity works.

It amazes me how some people want to just abandon Israel. Maybe they should pull out a map and see how small it is. They should see how vast the space around them is that is occupied by Islam, a religion which says take no Jew or Christian to be their friend. (This is in their scriptures.) They should realize that if we abandon Israel, it is the same as watching a group of ten or so bullies beating up a small kid and not doing a thing about it.

"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. "
--Matthew 24:12

"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."
--Zechariah 12:2

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My thoughts about your possible responses: This may not be about religion, but let this thread get posts in it and someone will call Bush a cruddy conservative (minus the few expletives users frequently incorporate in their vocabulary) and then someone will blame the war on religion, and then my post fits perfect. And now, this thread will get no replies because what my friend on his blog said is correct/true.
Errick, your friend is completly right and I completly agree with him.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:54 PM   #5
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Was the war ever on religion? I highly doubt it. I think that's what people were told in Iraq though. So they immediately hated USA for the wrong reasons. The war... really was on "freeing Iraq". Yes, they needed help, it wasn't fair. But why free them instead of the much more needed help in Sub-Saharan Africa? Africa rejects America's involvement just as much as Middle East but we go in the Middle East anyways, when basically a much more intensified situation is erupting in Africa. Genocides. It's really a paradox and kind of a mind puzzler isn't it?

And no. Islam does not teach stuff like that. Fundamentalists twist meanings of teachings all the time to get their way. And little by little they themselves destroy the integrity of their own religion.

And Errick, I really don't think your friend really what's been happenign in Israel. It's one of those things where the only solution is share the land. All sides have completely justifiable claims to Jerusalem.

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It's one of those things where the only solution is share the land. All sides have completely justifiable claims to Jerusalem.
That's what went through my mind as well, when I was watching Kingdom of Heaven at the movie theatre recently. Christians and Muslims should be allowed equal access to the city. The problem isn't the religions, it's the power hungry people.
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Ditto Stinger and Amar.

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Only the recent War in Iraq is about religion...and that religion is Islam, whose "holy" book teaches Muslims that if someone cannot be converted to Islam they should kill them...preferably by beheading. This is not how Christianity works.
There are nutty bloodthirsty Christians as well. Furthermore, why should the American military be deployed to fight a religious matter?! Muslims in general do not hate the United States and Iraq was a secular nation under Saddam.


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I salute Israelis who love their country ,but i am an American. Israel can take care of its own problems. Instead of Christians attaching themselves to an earthly place, they should start emulating Christ instead.

I'm tired of all of these people trying to create armageddon. When it's time, it will happen without your help. These end-timers foolishly believe that they are on par with God to make it happen.
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