The Terry Schiavo Case - What Are Your Thoughts/Opinions? - Page 13 - Eternal Allegiance

CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4 · 03-26-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Ashleigh
I love how people are like, "Terri told her husband that she wanted to die if this ever happened to her." First of all, why would ANYONE be thinking like that? I know she had health problems and whatnot, but how could ANYONE be thinking to themselves, "I want to be taken off life support if I'm ever in a vegitative state."

Actually, I see that as something quite common to talk to a spouse about. I mean, it's good to cover all your bases, ya know? Yeah, it may be morbid to say to your husband, "Hunny, if anything ever happens, just let me go." but...eh, I know my parents talked about it. My mom and my Aunt (who are both under 40) made Living Wills like, 10 years ago and talked about what would happen if anything were to happen to either of them or my dad and my uncle.

fairandcold · 03-26-2005, 11:27 PM

(a) Terri Shiavo brought her condition upon herself; (b) the claims of abuse by her husband have been investigated time and time again in the courts, and were ruled to be unfounded; (c) Terri is not just in a coma, she's in a persistant vegetative state. Note the word persistant.

I agree that 'dehumanizing' her isn't a right thing to do, but I'd be more wary of treating her like a normal, healthy person due to ignorance of the medical facts. Just look at the actions of people who tried to force their way in to 'feed' Terri with pieces of bread or glasses of water -- doing so would cause her to aspirate and die.

The protestors that are so holier-than-thou Christian fail to see the fact that God - or whatever you'll call him - takes people when he sees fit. Prolonging someone's life without helping their lifestyle is about as damning a purgatory as Hell, albeit a shorter term than eternity.

What is more natural than a life that should end naturally? Because it doesn't suit some hack religious leader's twisted sense of morality? I have nothing but complete sympathy for the husband and the parents of this poor woman - but the rest of these people need to back off. Jeb Bush is just throwing political corn to the religious chickens in the south. This is not the type of crap we came out of the dark ages for.

She cannot desire to die, she cannot desire to live, she cannot desire to be or do anything because she is simply not there. She lacks any cognitive function. She has been so for 15 years, and will continue to be so indefinitely. How can we dehumanize a person who for all intents and purposes, no longer exists?

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 03-27-2005, 02:51 AM

Wow this thread is up to 9 pages. I think that I will discuss things like this with my husband, decisions like that have to be made and my boyfriend already knows what I want done in situations like this.

ManSlippers · 03-27-2005, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by Ashleigh
I love how people are like, "Terri told her husband that she wanted to die if this ever happened to her." First of all, why would ANYONE be thinking like that? I know she had health problems and whatnot, but how could ANYONE be thinking to themselves, "I want to be taken off life support if I'm ever in a vegitative state." Secondly, unless her husband had that statement in writing or recorded it or something, then I won't believe it. And I can't BELIEVE that the judge actually allowed that to be evidence in a court of law. As far as I'm concerned, whatever Michael (I think that's his name) is saying is hearsay and it shouldn't even be considered as evidence in court.

I understand that she's been living a very horrible life for the past 15 years, but if her parents want to take care of her than I think Michael should let them. I also believe that he's waiting for her to die so he can get money from this. I mean, he doesn't love her, he's been living with/fucking a new woman for the last few years. It's not like he's thinking of Terri's best interests. I think it's quite sad that he can't even let Terri have some sort of diginity.

I don't think that the government should have gotten involved, either. It's none of their business.

They (courts, doctors, Michael Schaivo) are basically murdering Terri. They are starving her to death and I think it's disgusting. Her tongue is bleeding now due to dehydration and no one gives a shit. I think it's pathetic and sickening.

They also say she doesn't feel pain. And they OBVIOUSLY know this because they live in Terri's body. I'm so sick and tired of doctors saying that she doesn't feel anything. THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW. And that, my friends, is why they are letting her die. They think she can't feel this. I personally think that she knows what's going on around her and that she does feel pain. They keep replaying the two video's of Terri responding with a smile when her mom kisses her on the forhead and the other one where she responds to the music. She just lights up. It just breaks my heart that they would let someone die so viciously.

Anyway, they should let her live. It's not right to do this to her.

Ashleigh, I freakin' love you.

Nancy, "persistant vegitative state" is used very loosely by the media, and doctors disagree with that media label because she is able to react to many things. If you look at the definition of that "state," it contradicts Terri's actions, according to her doctors as well as those examining this situation.

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 03-27-2005, 05:26 AM

well in the end of the day, Doctors reports are what counts.

Lenghthen · 03-27-2005, 07:02 AM

Also, you guys are so against the war on terror because it's killing innocent lives, right? What about this situation? If Terri dies, that would also be killing an innocent life. But it's different because....? Honestly, why is it different? It's not, because we're still talking about a human life that deserves to live.

fairandcold · 03-27-2005, 07:51 AM

Let's disregard all 20 court decisions made over the course of a decade, since it doesn't fit in with your fantasy of a fully functioning Terri Shiavo who's perfectly fine with living in a hospital bed for 15 years. Oh, and throw in "innocent" too, even though the courts ruled that she's 70% responsible for her own condition.

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 03-27-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Ashleigh
Also, you guys are so against the war on terror because it's killing innocent lives, right? What about this situation? If Terri dies, that would also be killing an innocent life. But it's different because....? Honestly, why is it different? It's not, because we're still talking about a human life that deserves to live.

But with what quality of life? Her parents have given up the legal action so its happening now, at least she is getting morphine for the pain.

CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4 · 03-27-2005, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by Ashleigh
Also, you guys are so against the war on terror because it's killing innocent lives, right? What about this situation? If Terri dies, that would also be killing an innocent life. But it's different because....? Honestly, why is it different? It's not, because we're still talking about a human life that deserves to live.

I see it as being very different. With the War, this country is just going over and blowing people up because our leader is a moron. The people who are dieing over there are, more likely than not, fully functional human beings that shouldn't be killed because of one mans stupidity. In this case, Teri's qualitiy of live is far from what anyone would call "normal" or "good". Imagine seeing a dog or cat run over by a car, not killed, but just badly hurt...as it's hanging there by a thread of life, do you just sit back and make it suffer because to end it's suffering would be taking an innocent life? No, you put the animal out of it's misery. But then in this case the quesiton comes up as to if she's really suffering or not? Some say yes and some say no. How can you make a decision on someones life without knowing for sure?

Again, I can see both sides to this case and I do want to say that I don't think she should be taken off of her feeding tube.

Lemons · 03-27-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by ForeverInLoveWithJus
well in the end of the day, Doctors reports are what counts.

Doctors are the ones who said that shes not in a vegetative state...

Ashleigh, that was just what I was thinking.. Would Terri ever go..

"Hey Micheal, if I ever get a heart-attack, and I get brain-damaged, and I'll be in that state for 15 years, and its gonna be all over tv and everything, tell them that I want to die.." Lets face it, there is no documentation, or recordings.. hes doing it for cash. End of story.. there would be no other reason why he is pushing to kill her, or has been pushing to kill her the last 15 years.. If he did love her, why didn't he start pushing for this the first years when this happend? Why 7 years later? Lets face it.. hes gonna kill her, and you guys are basicly oking it and believing his bs excuse that she wants to die.. Thats cruel.. I thought you guys weren't for torture for Al Queda detainees? But you're for torture and swiping the consitutional right to life from someone who is in that state? Shame.. pure shame..