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05-27-2005, 05:55 PM
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#61 | | Boys Lie.
Join Date: May 2003
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| He deserves to be made to feel ashamed thats why. Its not disgusting to see a man who raped (not himself but he may as well have), muderered tortured and abused people to feel just alittle bit ashamed, god knwos he should feel 100% worse than that but he doesn't. A guy like that should get the same treatment he dished out. |
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05-28-2005, 03:10 AM
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#62 | | J Lo Fan!
Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ireland
Posts: 27,609
| Well the fact that he is in prison, Whoever sold those pictures seems to be getting away with it, so its okay to make money from a prisoner? |
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05-28-2005, 03:22 AM
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#63 | | Boys Lie.
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 5,670
| Yeah if they commited the gravity of crimes Saddam did yeah I do. Guess that makes me a bad person. |
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05-28-2005, 03:23 AM
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#64 | | J Lo Fan!
Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ireland
Posts: 27,609
| Well I guess I dont agree, I know how I feel but I am not trying to change anyones mind. I am just stating my opinion. |
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05-28-2005, 09:50 AM
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#65 | | World Champion
Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: nWo City
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| You know, what Emma says does set me to think. Evil is like a disease, it spreads like a virus. You don't kill evil by killing one of it's bodies. What happens when you want someone like Saddam to get back what he dished out? You'll be doing the same evil things that he did, and you'd justify it because of another evil.
And someone like Bin laden also does evil things because of evil things he sees in his opposition. And because of Saddam's actions, he takes good people and forces them to do evil some time later. Even if it is done to himself, his evil triumphs in all of us that way.
In that respect, maybe we really should forget about what he has done when we handle him. Because what would we do with a "normal" prisoner when we are in a normal state of mind? We'd be fair too. What gives us the right to be unfair? Whatever gave Saddam the right to be unfair?
We do get these emotional responses saying that he deserves to GET whatever he did to others. And my emotional judgment agrees too, he does deserve that. But WE don't have the right to dish it out, just like he didn't have the right to dish out all the things he did.
So in that respect, we should treat him fair and noble because that is what we stand for. He surrendered his freedom to us, as retribution for the things that he did. And according to law we have the right to detain him, and with it, isolate his evil from the rest of the world.
But when we go ahead and do more than we have the right to do, we copy his evil and essentially give his evil a victory.
These pictures don't kill anybody. But it is a violation of a law we want to enforce by keeping him detained. I don't feel any sympathy for this man, but betraying your own code doesn't feel right. Afterall, there is no such thing as an excuse for doing evil, no matter in what degree it is, right? |
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05-28-2005, 12:18 PM
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#66 | | J Lo Fan!
Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ireland
Posts: 27,609
| Nice post Stinger, A lot of that is what I am trying to say and I dont know if its coming across well or not. I know he may have done bad things or whatnot but I am trying to say he is in prison and awaiting trial for those things, let the trial find him guilty of those.
As a prisoner, you are entitled to rights as a prisoner and everyone is entitled to privacy, you cant just take rights away because of what they may or may not have done. |
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05-28-2005, 09:01 PM
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#67 | | Woot
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: My House
Posts: 1,779
| I agree with Emma |
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05-28-2005, 10:25 PM
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#68 | | Scrum-Tiddly-Umptious
Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The STL
Posts: 5,678
| I don't agree with torturing/killing the man but some pictures? Everyone is going on about his 'rights to privacy', well by granting him that 'right'he is recieving more rights than some Americans! It is not right to ME that a prisoner should have more rights than someone who has not done anything wrong in their life. |
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05-28-2005, 10:28 PM
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#69 | | World Champion
Join Date: Aug 2002
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| Quote: Originally posted by RaInBoW_bRiTe I don't agree with torturing/killing the man but some pictures? Everyone is going on about his 'rights to privacy', well by granting him that 'right'he is recieving more rights than some Americans! It is not right to ME that a prisoner should have more rights than someone who has not done anything wrong in their life. | Rock on, Sister! |
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05-29-2005, 03:57 AM
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#70 | | J Lo Fan!
Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ireland
Posts: 27,609
| Yes pictures, its an invasion of privacy, We of course are not talking about just Saddam, similar things have come out about Ali Hassan al-Majid otherwise known as "Chemical Ali" and Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash otherwise known as "Mrs Anthrax"We all have rights but we are talking about rights as a prisoner here. |
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