Lemons

Im not asking for your support. Im not even asking you for anything. Im just saying, dont be so hostile to people who agree with him. And you're saying it as if every country in the world woke up and started hating us. HELLO! Wake UP!!! The Middle East has been hating us since the 60s and the trend followed to Europe where anti-american action has been going on their as well. Its nothing new, people have been hating us for like 40-45 years now. EVEN under Clinton, they just didn't show it as much.




You're cramming words into my mouth. I didn't say anyone who disagrees with him is the problem im saying, "OMG JUST KILL US ALL" and "OMG!!! A CONSERVATIVES IN OFFICE!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!". Stupid comments like those divide the nation, not as much as who is in office. You and many other liberals over-dramatize every situation, hence the reason why so many conservatives and moderate democrats are leaving your party.

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IN YOUR OPINION it was an unnecessary comment, however the more people Bush elects into any government office that thinks like he does, is a doomed outcome for this nation, and then we're all just royally fucked. Sure, he can send us to a freakin death sentence fighting for this country so that he can go hide in a bomb shelter underground. So heroic. Bastard.

Your over-dramatized comments amuse me. So remind me, what year are we living in? This isn't Nazi Germany. What the heck are you saying? If you were the President one day, and you wanted to pick someone onto a court, You wouldn't pick anyone who is a conservative right? Exactly, so dont expect someone who is to pick a liberal, and when he doesnt, you'll start critisizing him, even though you wont do the same thing.




You try considering it. Most of your back up comments sound like the same thing over and over. Pile of Dog Doo? Um Hello.. I wasn't even alive in the 80s, and I know what Ronald Reagan was saying in his innagural address. He was talking about the dangers of big government. Get your facts straight..



Your hatred for the Conservative view? Why dont I speak of my hatred for the liberal view - no wait- I cant, I'll be pelted with hate mail and IMs. I hope whatever Im saying is offending you, and if it does, then good.



Like I said, a liberal extremist wont solve anything, if thats what you're implying.



Lmao. Dictator Bush? Wow. You crack me up. I really think you should try stand up yourself. I love how you speak as if Liberals are the most tolerant people on earth. Look at yourself and look at everything you said. I straight up got offended by the stuff you said to me, and I dont even think you're doing it on perpose. This reply perpously made rude and arrogant so you can see what its like talking to yourself from an opposite point of veiw. If you hate Conservative Idologies, then you hate Conservatives. Hate=more hate and two wrongs dont make a right.

ManSlippers

Your post was rude and arrogant? LMAO, ok. And it's funny, never once did I say liberals are the most tolerant people. And yet again, my point has been proven by your entire post, hailing conservatives as the correct way to go and if you're not conservative, you bash the hell out of them. And my replies are the same thing over again, eh,? Reminds me of you, but of course, you love contradicting yourself. There's a reason for it - because obviously you just don't get it. So, let me give you one that's not repetitive. FUCK OFF YOU DISRESPECTFUL, CONTRADICTING, REPETITIVE CONSERVATIVE EXTREMISTS. How's that for you? YOU aren't helping a "divided nation" as you call it by bashing everything liberals do, so you're only contradicting yourself every time you post. So thanks, you fell for my setup. Obviously there is nothing I can fuckin say without being pounded with rocks by YOU. All you do is BASH liberals or anyone thats not conservative or thinking like you, so now, you've met your damn match. I can play ball with that too. So now, every time you sit and bash and bitch and moan about liberals and such, you can expect me to be there as well, helping you show off your contradictions.

Kattie

Well the Patriot Act is one of many bad pieces of legislation that have passed. It's not like bad legislation happens under Bush only: There are decades of presidents signing bad bills into law.


On a tangent, many people believe inaccurately that if Roe vs. Wade is overturned then abortion will be illegal. That is not true.

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, then the individual states would decide on the legality of abortion. Roe v. Wade turned what was at the time a state decision into a "privacy right".

Well the hostility in the Middle East comes from decades of meddling there. Operation Ajax in Iran is just the tip of the iceberg. But from everything i've read, the Middle Eastern people in general dislike the U.S. govermental policies and not the people. Also keep in mind that practically any disagreement with U.S. policy is spun into being "anti-american".

Of course there will always be worldwide assholes that hate any person from a particular country. The anti-French sentiment in this country was over the top and stupid. There are also French people that hate anything American. Same stupid, different country and language.

A danger of generalizing an entire nation or region of people is that they can become dehumanized. While the results most likely won't be as dramatic as one of Stalin's or Hitler's camps, it is used as a tool to make killing people more palatable. I've actually heard people say that bombing Iraqis was justified because "they hate us". Argh.

Well that and Democrats tend to demonize anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly believe in a increasing leftist set of tenets. Instead of choosing compromises like gay civil unions, they consistently push options like gay marriage that are guaranteed losers in more conservative areas. That along with disparaging the South will ensure more Republican dominance on the national level.

Republicans are better organized at the grassroots level than Democrats and that is how they retain power despite all of their infighting. Not all of the Paleoconservatives have left the party despite the current Neocon and Evangelical dominance.

As for overdramatization, the Republicans are guilty of that as well. Muslims aren't going to take over the world no matter how hard they try. If Christianity with all of the money and powerful goverments behind it failed, then why would Islam be any different?! Blowing up stuff turns people away from Islam, not towards it.

It's too bad Bush and his adminstration cannot adhere to that simple maxim. Goverment has been expanded under Bush, not minimized. Instead of abolishing and limiting goverment, we get new bureaucracies like the Homeland Security department.

Lemons

When was the last time I said.. "Liberals suck"? Just because I cant believe some of the things that the left does, doesn't mean I say they suck. You're putting words into my mouth once again. and I dont hate my fellow americans, For your information, and yes, its true, sometimes I forget we live in the same country, but I try to keep in my the we do. Ugh.. I dont know what to say to you.. Whatever..


I agree. The Patriot act violates many civil rights to a specific group of citizens. This act is just as pointless as how FDR took all of the Japanese people and put them in some kind of camps.

Another reason why they dont like us there so much, is because of our relations with Israel. Jimmy Carter's meeting in 1979 with Israeli and Egyptian PMs just gave them an even better reason to hate us for even trying to make peace in that area of the world.

Another thing I agree on with you is the whole "Freedom-Fries" and all of those things. It was pointless as well, and I just dont see why they did it in the first place. But they didn't do it on a national basis. They just changed the name of French Fries to Freedom Fries in the Capitol Hill Cafeteria.

The is true. The democrats have 98% of the media on their side and with the news papers, online blogs, tv shows and all of that, they will tend to demonize anyone who disagrees with them. That is not an attack, but its really true. I've listened to so many Liberal Talk Shows (Al Franken, Bill Mahr, Jerry Quickly,ect.) who start randomly attacking Republicans and Republican leadership.


That is true, but not everything should be blamed on the President. The CIA and FBI play vital roles in intelligance.

ManSlippers

But see, you come off as always attacking liberals PERIOD. You take a certain thing thats happened, and then you GENERALIZE about all iberals. The only reason I even bother replying with an opposition is to show you what I view your comments like, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. You're not in the wrong but you do need to realize that you say you don't think liberals suck or what not, yet you generalize all liberals into a category when something happens you don't like. Do you get what I'm saying? My point here is not to sit and bash you for your views, but to show you what its like to read constant bashing. Maybe you don't see it, but its blatantly there. Nobody said you hated your fellow Americans, but also, I am able to hate those who have a problem with the type of person I may be, or actions that I may take. Thats what Im trying to get across to you, and it seems the only way I can get you to understand what I mean is to BE rude and BE hostile, because maybe I'm not making my points clear enough and it flys right over you, but, I've explained it the best I can. You can have you opinion, but don't generalize me or a group i may be associated with or may think like.

That can't POSSIBLY be true. I the only program I even know about is Bill Maher's show and thats on HBO, which not everyone has access to. Not to mention, you live in California so maybe its different there. But I can assure you, that cannot be a nationally valid statement. I live in the South, and every news program, every radio station, EVERYTHING is extreme conservatives. Not to mention, all of the national news shows like Fox News and such basically ALL are conservatives. I'm surprised Alan Colmes is even allowed on the Fox News Channel. Our papers are all conservative down here, and bashed the hell out of John Kerry, and many other liberal figures. So, I think it depends on where you live, but most of the national stations are NOT liberal.

MoonBerry

I agree with everything you've said Daniel, great posts and points!

Lemons

Mis-post.

Lemons

Yeah, well you're right on that - I really dont understand when Im hurting someone or offending them or anything like that. I have no intentions to, but thats just how it happens. I'll try not to be hostile or sound like I am, because like I said I dont know when I am. Im sorry if I do, and when it sounds like I am generalizing when Im not. I live in a Liberal state. Well, its not so liberal in other parts but this is like the second bluest spot in the whole state. Most of the people who allign themselves with the Liberal Ideology, or the Democratic Party, usually all think the same. All the Newspapers and all of those other things are biased, and even though I do read the L.A and N.Y Times sometimes, It sounds like Im reading the same person's article in 2 different papers. So sometimes, to me, I might generalize without thinking, seeing as how I have experience with liberals here, more than I do with conservatives.





Yeah, I dont think you know Jerry Quickly, because he works here in L.A, but you've gotta know Al Franken. He was on SNL, and has his own show on the Sundance Channel. Anyways, about the whole Kerry Bashing thing - I agree its wrong, but your newspapers aren't as popular as the ones here, so even if there is Kerry bashing in yours, people read the L.A and N.Y Times nation-wide. So I think those would have more effect. But Im with you - I think no newspaper should be biased. News is to be carried, not to be craft it into whatever the reporter/station wants it to be. I wish all of the bias in the news was gone, but I cant really do anything about it. Im sorry.

ManSlippers

No need for apologies. As usual, its all one big misunderstanding. I just hope that we both can learn and cut back on our party-bashing

And yes, i know Al Franken, and I can't stand him lol He was like, the rejected nerd in high school!! LMAO

Lemons

LOL. He still wears those thick glasses.