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09-07-2005, 11:01 AM
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| Legislatur OKs Gay Marriage | | lets see how long it takes until Bush makes this more important than the Hurricane....
SACRAMENTO — The California Legislature made history Tuesday as the Assembly passed a bill to legalize same-sex marriage.
With no votes to spare, California's lawmakers became the first in the United States to act without a court order to sanction gay marriages. The measure was approved after three Democratic lawmakers who abstained on a similar proposal that failed in June changed their minds under intense lobbying by bill author Assemblyman Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) and gay and civil rights activists.
No Republicans voted in favor of the bill. Forty-one of the Assembly's 47 Democrats voted yes; four Democrats voted "no," and two abstained.
The bill, which would change California's legal definition of marriage from "a civil contract between a man and a woman" to a "civil contract between two persons," now goes to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. He has signaled that he will veto it.
Tuesday's vote came after 23 lawmakers addressed the chamber, many of them focusing on the historic element of their action, others relating intensely personal stories.
In a moment of high drama, with dozens of gay rights supporters watching from the gallery, Simon Salinas (D-Salinas) hesitated for several seconds as the tally hung at 40 "ayes" — one short of passage. Then, having promised Leno months ago that he would not let the bill fail, Salinas pressed the "aye" button on his desk, making the final vote 41-35.
Those seconds "seemed like an eternity," said Mark Guzman of El Dorado Hills, as he and his partner of 14 years, J. Scott Coatsworth, celebrated in the Capitol rotunda after the voting.
In addition to Salinas, Assembly members Tom Umberg of Anaheim and Gloria Negrete-McLeod of Chino provided key votes. Assemblyman Mervyn Dymally (D-Compton), who had missed the floor vote in June, also helped the bill prevail.
Assemblyman Jerome Horton (D-Inglewood) — one of the lawmakers who abstained in June, when Leno's bill fell four votes short — withheld his vote again Tuesday. Assemblywoman Bonnie Garcia (R-Cathedral City) abstained after having voted "no" in June. Assemblyman Joe Baca Jr. (D-Rialto) also abstained Tuesday.
Two of the lawmakers who switched their votes from abstain to "aye" said in floor speeches that they were glad for another chance.
Umberg elicited applause and whoops in the otherwise hushed chamber when he described why he had changed his mind. He said he had been "cajoled, been harassed, been harangued and been threatened" by friends over the issue.
"This is one of those times when history looks upon us to see where we are," Umberg said. "Ten years from now, there are a handful of issues that history will record where we stood, and this is one of those issues.
"History will record whether we pushed a bit, took the lead to encourage tolerance, to encourage equality to encourage fairness," he said.
"The constituency I'm concerned about is a very small one," said Umberg, "and that's the constituency of my three children, should they decide to look back on my record … and reflect on where I was when we could make a difference."
Negrete-McLeod similarly said she regretted abstaining in June.
Some Republicans dismissed the historic significance of the vote and said gay marriage is not an issue of civil rights. Others criticized Leno for reviving the bill after the June defeat and called gay marriage immoral.
"The institution of marriage transcends political fads," said Assemblyman Ray Haynes (R-Murrieta). "We are talking about an institution that has been defined for thousands of years … and we are being asked to engage in a great social experiment."
The fight over same-sex marriage will now shift to the governor's office — and to the courts and perhaps the ballot box. A case testing the legality of gay marriage is moving toward the state Supreme Court, and opponents of same-sex marriage are trying to qualify two initiatives to ban the practice for the ballot next year.
Leno characterized gay marriage as the most important civil rights issue of the 21st century. He enlisted Dolores Huerta, co-founder of the United Farm Workers of America, and Alice Huffman, California president of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, to help him lobby undecided lawmakers.
Huerta said she spoke to Salinas last week and "went back to our old culture, the Latino culture."
"Respecting other people's rights is peace," she said. "Respecting other people's rights to marry who they want is a constitutional right, it's a human right and it's a privacy right. I said to Simon, 'You've got to be a leader. … You've got to have courage.' "
Foes of same-sex marriage call Leno's bill unconstitutional, saying it overturns what citizens put into law five years ago when they passed Proposition 22 with 61% of the vote. That initiative said that only marriage between a man and a woman was valid and recognized in California.
"The only word I can see here is prostitution," said Randy Thomasson, president of the Campaign for Children and Families. "Instead of obeying the voters and the Constitution, the Democratic politicians have prostituted themselves to the homosexual marriage agenda. It's not gay, it's bad."
After Leno's bill failed in June, he inserted the gay-marriage legislation into a measure about marine research that was pending in the Senate. That bill, AB 849, cleared the upper house Thursday, also with the minimum number of votes necessary.
Leno said he is optimistic that Schwarzenegger has an open mind on his bill, which the governor has until Oct. 9 to veto or sign. The assemblyman noted that public opinion on gay marriage is evenly split, 46% to 46%, in the state based on a recent poll by the Public Policy Institute of California.
"I believe this is a governor who at his core is a libertarian on issues of social matters," Leno said, "and that he is very fair-minded. I think he also takes the longer, rather than shorter, view of history."
After the vote, Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson said: "The people spoke when they passed Proposition 22. The issue subsequently went to the courts. The governor believes the courts are the correct venue for this decision to be made. He will uphold whatever decision the court renders."
Same-sex marriage
California could become the second state permitting same-sex marriages.
In other states:
• Massachusetts — Same-sex marriage legalized by court decision
• Connecticut — Civil unions legalized by legislation
• Vermont — Civil unions legalized by legislation
In other countries:
• Same-sex marriage is legal in the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Canada |
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09-07-2005, 11:54 AM
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#2 | | SAN JOSE STATE!!!!!
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| Hell yeah. |
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09-07-2005, 04:31 PM
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| This is illegal. 61 Percent of the state voted against gay marrige, and to legalize an act that has been turned down by a massive number, is simply unconsitutional. You'd be up in arms if a Republican did the opposite.
Then most of you get angry when the republicans "take away" democray. Im sorry, but in a Democracy, Majority rules, and if the majority ruled against it, too bad, deal with it. This is pissing me off, how Liberals are mending the law to their interpretations, and yet, accuse republicans of doing the same.
Also, just because this is passed in the Senate, doesn't mean its passed in the state. The Governor can still veto it, and he said he wants the voters to decide. The voters said no to it by 70%. So, its most likely gonna stay banned, that is, unless, democracy still applys to California.
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09-07-2005, 08:02 PM
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#4 | | FACE
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Originally Posted by Lemons but in a Democracy, Majority rules, and if the majority ruled against it, too bad, deal with it. . | yup |
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09-07-2005, 08:10 PM
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| I mean, Its so amazing how hypocrisy is so often used amongst Democrats in public office. Dont get me wrong, I like most of the respectful ones, but, when Republicans in the Senate and else where try to overturn abortion, Democrats pull the whole "Unconsitutional" card. Why doesn't that "Unconsitutional" card apply to California Democrats and lawmakers here and in Washington?
I dont try to overturn everything I see here in California wrong. But by doing that, that destroys the roots for democracy, which is in general, the majority rule. Majority voted against it, therefore, it is illegal. Doesn't matter how much you disagree with it, thats how the system is. Good thing Arnolds gonna veto it and its going to be on the Ballots in 2006 or 2008. Im pretty sure the State Democrats will snag it away when it happens again. They'll do it so much until they finally win, and its not gonna happen. |
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09-07-2005, 08:33 PM
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#6 | | June 27th
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09-07-2005, 08:42 PM
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09-07-2005, 08:48 PM
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#8 | | June 27th
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| I'm just sick of this whole debate. WHERE IS THE HAPPY FUCKIN MEDIUM? |
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09-07-2005, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Swany I'm just sick of this whole debate. WHERE IS THE HAPPY FUCKIN MEDIUM? | You'd expect me and 61% of people to be upset. They're basicly telling them, hey, your vote doesn't count, so Im putting mine in. This case is closed. California wont allow it, seeing as how the people are more socially conservative, and the Supreme Court has a Conservative Majority ( I didn't believe my eyes ) either way, its going to lose, because Arnolds gonna Veto it. This wont be another Massachusetts, because we have red counties. heh.
Speaking of Massachusetts, I think thats going to be on the ballot in 2008. Because like this one, that decision was made by the legislature, not the people of Massachusetts. |
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09-07-2005, 08:59 PM
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| I would just like to see it all come to a conclusion which satisfies both groups so that people would just shut up about it and get on with their lives. |
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