Legislatur OKs Gay Marriage - Page 27 - Eternal Allegiance

Stone Cold · 09-28-2005, 12:34 PM

crazybeautiful,

the rat example was good but it seems to point towards my environment theory though. the rat was brought up around male rats at a young age and therefore absorbed/picked up/whatever you want to say the more masculine characteristics

*flips off microsoft

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 09-28-2005, 12:41 PM

Dont beat Microsoft up as you would be beating me up.. I work for them

Stone Cold · 09-28-2005, 12:43 PM

*doesn't flip off foreverinlovewithjus

soulfire · 09-28-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Cold

crazybeautiful,

the rat example was good but it seems to point towards my environment theory though. the rat was brought up around male rats at a young age and therefore absorbed/picked up/whatever you want to say the more masculine characteristics

*flips off microsoft

i have a theory that everyone has bicurious thoughts.. AND that most homophobes are more likely to engage in a gay sexual encounter..

PapRoach123 · 09-28-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverInLoveWithJus

Dont beat Microsoft up as you would be beating me up.. I work for them

Could you get them to fix this? It's annoying.

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Originally Posted by soulfire

i have a theory that everyone has bicurious thoughts.. AND that most homophobes are more likely to engage in a gay sexual encounter..

It's only a theory when it's proven to be working. I don't have those kinds of thoughts. But then again, I am a pure blood.

I have a hypothesis that bisexuality is a byproduct of human evolution. Cross breeding, if you will. America consists of descendents of people who came from all over the world. Finding a pure blood in America is like finding a needle in a haystack. Which also tags into your hypothesis about the bicurious thoughts. But trust me, it's not completely sound.

YesJess · 09-28-2005, 04:38 PM

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First of all, The Far-Far Right can be a little crazy at times. Not every word is to be taken seriously with them.

Second, Show me one person, who got beaten, stoned, and or even killed at our school. one person. Being Homosexual has even gone so far as to become a trend, so dont say people are being beaten for it, because they're not. Yes, people have been beaten for it, and I dont justify any violence towards Minorities, including gays. I have no hatred for anyone who is gay, and a lot of the liberals automatically say

"if you're against gay marrige, you hate gays". Which is 100% false. Sure people disagree with it because of hatred, but most of the people against do it for other reasons, but Im not saying hate isn't apart of it. Its just not a big part of it.

And to say "I wouldn't get it" can be used In my situation too. I dont think you would ever understand why Im against it, nor Do I think you want to understand why Im against it.

Bottom line, Practice what you preach.

Remember Katie from our school last year? She was beaten by three girls because she was a homosexual and walked around holding her girlfriend's hand. I talked to her right after it happened too. It was really sad....

People disagree because its in the religious values. Well, the only person you have to worry about is yourself when you go to heaven. God will not ask you about other people-- only why you did certain things. YOU do not have to marry another man. Just focus on your own "sins". I find it REALLY sad that I cannot marry my girlfriend who I love with all my heart but straight couples can go around getting married and then just divorced whenever they feel like it. Its sad that they can just get married for a good time but we cannot get married when we truly, truly, love each other and want to spend the rest of our lives with the other person. If you want to look at keeping the true meaning of your definition of marriage-- take a look at the 50% divorce rate. That's pretty sad isn't it? I find it even more sad that the only reason people have against it is because "the Bible said so." Well, did you miss the verse that said don't judge? Did you miss the verse that said hey worry about yourself? Did you miss all of the other verses that talk about what you shouldn't do-- yet you're still doing them and KNOW you're doing them? I thought so...

I'm not looking to get married in your church or in anyone's church. I would just like to be legally married to the person I love. I want to celebrate it just like everyone else can.

Yes, I do understand you. I was on your "side" once remember? It wasn't too long ago that I was trying to force it out of me. I'd cry every night, hurting myself both physically and mentally hoping to bleed it out of me; cry it out of me. But it just wasn't something I could stop. I went to church... I did everything I could to try and make myself not a lesbian anymore. But, I couldn't do it. I went out with many guys-- had boyfriends. I was not once happy. I not once had romantic feelings for any of them. None. Then I met a girl, who is no longer my girlfriend, but she made me realize a lot. When I was with her I felt true to who I was. I kissed her and I felt so much. I knew then that I could not deny it. There was nothing to force out of myself. All I was doing was being happy. Now that its out and I'm open about who I love-- I'm so happy. I will NOT let people take my happiness away from me.

Birgerhar · 09-28-2005, 04:52 PM

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A Few? Is that way The Gay Parade in San Fransisco had atleast thousands of men walking around naked on the streets? Is that why some people on the float were harassing people who dared to speak up against them?

Is that why the Gays come into the Conservative and Religious message boards on myspace, and cuss at us every 2 days? Get real about this. Your side is just as guilty of intollerance as mine is. Your side isn't an innocent child. You can be just as rude as we can, sometimes even ruder.

I've talked to a lot of people from the GSA, who generally preach "Tollerance" and 90% of the time, the response is "Kiss my ass". "I hate all of those annoying Jesus Freaks".. wow.. your side is really being attacked! Dont preach tollerance, if intollerance spews from your side. You couldn't even tollerate an opinion that I had and made such a huge deal out of it, even wished me bad luck. In my opinion, "Tollerance Preachers" such as yourself and others are very hypocrytical.

Ahh. But the only people who speak up like that are the only ones who can be said as rude. Many others just fight peacefully. That's like saying if one American preaches Communism we all preach Communism too.

CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4 · 09-28-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Cold

crazybeautiful,

the rat example was good but it seems to point towards my environment theory though. the rat was brought up around male rats at a young age and therefore absorbed/picked up/whatever you want to say the more masculine characteristics

*flips off microsoft

The level of hormones she recieves while in the womb (ie testosterone) give her more masuline qualities. When she has pups of her own, that will be passed down. Why is the same thing not possible in humans? The human body is not perfect and sometimes it malfunctions during development causing more of a certain hormone or less of another to be relased, which can have effects on the fetus. Now I realize that that's a little different from there being a "gene" for homosexuality, but still, I think it's a good example. Even if it's not caused by a gene it could very well be caused by some sort of malfunction such as that during development. And then what happens with a baby boy born who was exposed to more estrogen than most boys when he was in the womb? Because of those extra hormones he could be seen as more "girly" by some people, act a little differently and that causes people to treat him differently. You can sit there and think it's all one or the other but really, that's too simplistic of an answer. Our genes and our environment interact like crazy.

Stone Cold · 09-28-2005, 07:33 PM

ahhhh i missed the in the womb part of your example. that could go along with what Stinger was saying with the cross-breading thought

CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4 · 09-28-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Cold

ahhhh i missed the in the womb part of your example. that could go along with what Stinger was saying with the cross-breading thought

Even if it would be due to cross-breeding, it's still something genetic that effects the baby and then pre-disposes them to be treated a certain way

(ie. genes + nurtre)