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03-22-2005, 12:16 PM
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#51 | | World Champion
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Quote: Originally posted by Kizzie
Possum, I know you mean well, but if your only excuse for being against gays is because of religion, that doesn't hold up anywhere, so you best find another reason. Because if religion is why, then obviously you can't think for yourself. | Religion plays a big part in my life. It saved my cousin's and my life. I dont think I need to find any other reason. God is greater than I am, and I will chose to follow him if I want to. I understand, you might think my veiws are radical, but, God is my world. And I'll go with wherever he wants me to go with. But If I offend you by posting what I myself believe, then Im sorry, but a lot of you need to understand that I have a problem with wording things... so please dont try to take my words literally. Try to generalize it more..  | 
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03-22-2005, 02:24 PM
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#52 | | World Champion
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Nothing you have said has offended me yet, which is why I still think you're a cool guy whether or not I disagree or agree with what you say, and I know you word things incorrectly sometimes, we all do, thats not a problem. I just refuse to accept religion as being the only reason that you are against homosexuality, yet the Bible teaches the acceptance of all? Kinda makes no sense.. | |
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03-22-2005, 03:59 PM
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#53 | | World Champion
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Quote: Originally posted by Kizzie
Nothing you have said has offended me yet, which is why I still think you're a cool guy whether or not I disagree or agree with what you say, and I know you word things incorrectly sometimes, we all do, thats not a problem. I just refuse to accept religion as being the only reason that you are against homosexuality, yet the Bible teaches the acceptance of all? Kinda makes no sense.. | Hmm.. I didn't think you liked me tho! lol. Well, I dont know.. The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin. I dont hate gay people, but If god says its wrong, then Im gonna have to go with the man upstairs. And yes, It truley is the only reason Im against gay marriges. | |
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03-22-2005, 06:43 PM
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#54 | | Mraz-a-licious
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Quote: Originally posted by Possum
Hmm.. I didn't think you liked me tho! lol. Well, I dont know.. The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin. I dont hate gay people, but If god says its wrong, then Im gonna have to go with the man upstairs. And yes, It truley is the only reason Im against gay marriges. | Something I just thought of the other day...okay, so you think homosexuality is a sin. But regardless of that, doesn't everyone deserve equal rights? Would you try to sit there and say that blacks or native americans don't deserve to be married or to share in the same rights as we do? Equal rights shouldn't be based on what the BIBLE says as not everyone believes in the Bible, sorry, but it's true. Furthermore, isn't the gist of the whole thing that according to the Bible homosexuality is a sin, but those who participate in it will pay the consequenses, right? So not giving them equal rights isn't going to STOP them from being homosexual and somehow "save" them. Why not just support their right to do what they want, even if it goes against what you believe? Because in the end, they'll be the ones to pay for it, not you. (According to your beliefs anyway) | |
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03-22-2005, 07:22 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4
Something I just thought of the other day...okay, so you think homosexuality is a sin. But regardless of that, doesn't everyone deserve equal rights? Would you try to sit there and say that blacks or native americans don't deserve to be married or to share in the same rights as we do? Equal rights shouldn't be based on what the BIBLE says as not everyone believes in the Bible, sorry, but it's true. Furthermore, isn't the gist of the whole thing that according to the Bible homosexuality is a sin, but those who participate in it will pay the consequenses, right? So not giving them equal rights isn't going to STOP them from being homosexual and somehow "save" them. Why not just support their right to do what they want, even if it goes against what you believe? Because in the end, they'll be the ones to pay for it, not you. (According to your beliefs anyway) | Well, I am colorblind. I dont have problems with other colors and races. I dont see how you can compare them to homosexuals because thats a completly different issue. Racism is bad. But, I know homosexuality isn't a switch that you can just, turn off.. I have another explaination for it, but I dont want to post it here, because it will cause a religious thread. Theres one main difference between your political beliefs and mine. I chose to use my religion with my politics. And you dont. Its amazing how 1 word makes a whole difference. If I supported what they do, and put my beliefs aside, then I wouldn't be thinking conservative now would I? If everyone did that, there would be no such thing as a conservative, or a religious person. Catch my drift?  lol.
EDIT/// IM me and I'll explain it to you in the best way I can, love. | |
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03-22-2005, 07:36 PM
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#56 | | Mraz-a-licious
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Quote: Originally posted by Possum
Well, I am colorblind. I dont have problems with other colors and races. I dont see how you can compare them to homosexuals because thats a completly different issue. Racism is bad. But, I know homosexuality isn't a switch that you can just, turn off.. I have another explaination for it, but I dont want to post it here, because it will cause a religious thread. Theres one main difference between your political beliefs and mine. I chose to use my religion with my politics. And you dont. Its amazing how 1 word makes a whole difference. If I supported what they do, and put my beliefs aside, then I wouldn't be thinking conservative now would I? If everyone did that, there would be no such thing as a conservative, or a religious person. Catch my drift? lol.
EDIT/// IM me and I'll explain it to you in the best way I can, love. | No, I don't catch your drift. And comparing equality against minorities and equality for homosexuals IS relevant and is the same thing, as both groups in consideration are humans and should be treated the same. You can allow them to have equal rights and still not think that what they're doing is right. Religion and politics should have NO CONNECTION. Like John Kerry said this past fall, he wasn't FOR abortion, he didn't think it was the right option, but he still thought that he shouldn't be the one to chose a womans destiny and that she should be able to make her own choice regarding her body and her life. Allowing homosexuals to have equal rights is sort of like that; you don't have to agree with what they're doing, but let them be free and do what they want, ya know? Some people are against interracial marraiges, but it's still allowed. It's the same thing. | |
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03-22-2005, 07:46 PM
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#57 | | World Champion
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Quote: Originally posted by CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4
No, I don't catch your drift. And comparing equality against minorities and equality for homosexuals IS relevant and is the same thing, as both groups in consideration are humans and should be treated the same. You can allow them to have equal rights and still not think that what they're doing is right. Religion and politics should have NO CONNECTION. Like John Kerry said this past fall, he wasn't FOR abortion, he didn't think it was the right option, but he still thought that he shouldn't be the one to chose a womans destiny and that she should be able to make her own choice regarding her body and her life. Allowing homosexuals to have equal rights is sort of like that; you don't have to agree with what they're doing, but let them be free and do what they want, ya know? Some people are against interracial marraiges, but it's still allowed. It's the same thing. | I understand what you're saying.. but IM me so I can explain to you.. Maybe, you might understand it in a better way. | |
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03-23-2005, 07:57 AM
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#58 | | World Champion
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Quote: Originally posted by Possum
Hmm.. I didn't think you liked me tho! lol. | A lot of people don't think I like them lol. Mostly because I'm extremely moody and my mood can change drastically quickly, so people get confused on my feelings toward them  | |
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03-23-2005, 07:59 AM
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#59 | | Mraz-a-licious
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Quote: Originally posted by Kizzie
A lot of people don't think I like them lol. Mostly because I'm extremely moody and my mood can change drastically quickly, so people get confused on my feelings toward them | LOL, all the glory that is....Diva Daniel  ] | |
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03-23-2005, 11:41 AM
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Religion + politics = extremist
One uses religion to form a personal opinion. Then one uses politics to involve an entire people in that opinion, and ultimately have them live by that opinion.
The politics is the contradiction in the equation that you mentioned, Daniel. The bible doesn't say thy shalt rule the earth and it's people by this script. That's what Satan's book says when you read the texts of puritania. So in order to avoid such comparison, politics is introducted in order to simulate a religious type of ruling in a politically correct way. | |
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