CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4

All hail Stinger!! Very well said and I agree with every word

Lemons

1 Continent. Europe. No other continents support it. It takes more than 1 judge. I've said it before and I'll say it again. 1 Judge is not enough to change a whole countrys constitution.

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If you want "the world" to become a better place, perhaps it would be a good idea for you Americans to start learning how to mind your own damn business and stop trying to rule the lives of others.

Heh... "You Americans" sounded a bit harsh. American isn't trying to rule anyone. We only went into Iraq because of false Informations. Liberals even know its because of that, but that would be too good of a false accusement to let pass wouldn't it?

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All this crap you guys are pulling is just going to result into another civil war, cause the gays aren't going to keep taking this crap forever. And that'll start messing with the economy once again, and so you'll be pissing off a lot more countries with this stupidity.

A Civil War? There aren't enough homosexuals in this country to cause a Civil War.I dont think all of the homosexuals will pick up guns and start shooting people because they disagree with them. No one is going to start a Civil War.. Why is being Anti- Gay Marrige gonna mess with the economy? How is that gonna happen? Nothing gonna happen with the economy. Well, I dont like a lot of things your government does, but Im not gonna throw away something that says Made In Holland, now am I? I think you're over-exadurating with this whole Civil War stuff.

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And because of this, your government will never let this ban on gay marriage happen, because it will hurt their treaty with other countries. The Bush administration just swayed into that direction to get your vote. And in case they will let it happen, then you might as well prepare for another attack, heh.

Well, It wouldn't be smart, if you were going to boycott us because you disagree with something in this country. The only reason that so many countries in Europe hate us, is mainly because of the media there. Im sure its NOT Pro-Conservative or Pro-Conservative Ideals at all. Im sure they portray President Bush as the son of the devil and whatnot. Hey, you said it yourself that he could be the anti-christ... I dont think anyone living here or oposing him would think of such Radical things to say. But I dont blame you. If I lived in Europe, I'd hate america too from all of the 1 sided bias there. Besides, Al Queada hasn't only threatened the United States. It pledges death to America Israel and Europe. 3/11 in Madrid, and there have been reports of discrimination against muslims in Scandanavian countries like Sweden. So.. I would watch your back as well. lol.

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Idealism vs. Reality - Reality wins by K.O.

Reality to you can be completly different for me. We never know who is right or who is wrong.

PapRoach123

I wouldn't be too sure about that...

Evenso, as I have said before, and will say again, your constitution is full of holes. If it was so great and awesome, then it why does it have so many amendments? History proves that it is outdated. Big time. There's a saying that sounds "you have to change with the times", and sometimes an issue pops up that will require such a change.


Yes it is harsh, and that is the same way you treat the gay society. When you say something like this "Well, 20 years ago people didn't even imagine gays marrying now.. guess what? 20 Years passed, and now they are demanding marrige rights..." you are pointing your finger at them and say "you gay people" suggesting that they are doing something that they should not be doing, just as I am pointing my finger at 'you Americans' suggesting that you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing.

People will stop being harsh to you in their words, once you stop being harsh to others in your actions. Where 'you' is used in plural form, I must add.

I wasn't talking about Iraq though. I'm talking about how you want to control your own folk. You want to decide about the rights of gay people that every citizen has except for them, and with that you deem them less than you are. For the fact alone that you want to deny them a marriage you show that you feel that you're better than them because you deserve to get married and they don't. I've heard the political correct excuses all before, but that's nothing but talk talk talk. Prove it. Show that you can live your life while somewhere in your country some gay person might get married. Stop worrying about their lives, start worrying about your own.


And I think you're underestimating the seriousness of what you're doing. To you it is just another gay person who should shut his/her mouth. To them it's their entire life. You are messing with their whole future. We have a saying that says a cornered cat will make unexpected jumps. Your overconfidence will be your downfall.

Furthermore, you have no idea how many gays exist. Also, you really think it would just be gay people to support that civil war? Thousands of people are sick and tired of all those who try to control the lives of others. All it takes is for one sheep to cross that bridge, and more will come.


That is typical American behaviour, to blame it on the media instead of perhaps thinking to yourself that maybe this time you're not the greatest country in the world with the greatest ideals in the world. I don't need any media to form my opinions. For example, all I really need to do is talk to people online, check out some message boards, including this one, and see what people like you and people like Allie have to say. The fact that Allie, who lives right there in the USA completely agrees with my previous post already defeats your media argument. Surely you won't try to sell that everyone who disagrees with your ideals is clouded by media...

Furthermore, I wouldn't point at Europe and say that they hate America. You'd need to be someone like Bin Laden to be able to hate America. It's just the continuous holier than thou attitudes that damages your country's reputation. You're fighting this right to marry thing with all your heart as if your life depended on it, while in reality it's their lives that depend on it...


...and the reality is that nothing will happen to you should it be accepted. In my country it is accepted and nobody died either. Nobody got hurt and everybody is still living their lives the way they are supposed to. It will be no different in your country. But because you're all so fixated on looking through the window of the neighbour's house, you get aggravated by what the neighbour is doing. If you want to feel better, stop looking through the neighbour's window. It's that simple.

We're at six years or so, and there are still no polygamists demanding anything, and as you said so yourself, you have no idea what the future holds. Life's all about taking risks, and denying a group of people from something that is of life importance to them because of something that you don't even know will happen is like staying in your house because a car might hit you on your way out.

No, it is like commanding someone else to stay inside because a car might hit you on their way out. heh

Nanny

You might want to take a look at what's happening on your very own continent, buddy. There's a rather large nation to the north of you, bigger than yours actually, which is starting to back gay marriage.

Oh, and one judge may not be able to change the constitution. But why are you acting like it's only that one judge who is supporting gay marriage? And really, he's not even supporting it. He's making a claim that the government is trying to make a law against something that they have no power to control.

I also want to point out that I'm sure you know one person who is really close to you, be it a friend or a relative, that is gay, whether you know it or not. There's more gay people in the world than you think. While 'they' say that only 10% of the population are gay and lesbian, I get the feeling that the figure is a little closer to the 50% range than we think. How close? I don't know. It may only be 20% or less, it may be 40% or more. But I don't think it's as few as 10%. And out of all those people, you must know someone who is gay. You probably wouldn't know it, because they won't tell you. And why would they when they know you're fighting to deny them the right to be happy?

P.S. Stinger, excellent closing remark.

Lemons

Canada.. well.. Canada is Canada. I wasn't suprised that you guys did that up there.

This whole thing was about California state's Constitution. Not the whole Country's.

Yes. One of my very good friends turned out to be a Lesbian. As much as I think shes a good friend, I dont approve of what she is doing. If I tell you why, This whole thing will turn into a huge religious thread so I'll stop it here.

Nanny

Woah. That's a nice example of one of Stinger's points. Care to go into more detail about what "Canada is Canada" means?

Oh, and regardless of whether or not it's nationwide or statewide, what I said still stands, as I said nothing about it being nation wide or statewide in that quote.

Lemons

It means Canada will always be intitled to their opinions.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

I find that quite offensive about what you said there about Canada, its not nice. Its like you think your country is better or something. There is nothing wrong with marriages for gay/lesbian people, they are the same as you or me, we have the same rights, the same entitlement to be happy or be devoted to someone.

Lemons

Woah woah woah... Dont put words in my mouth! I never said America is better than anyone else. When I sad Canada will be Canada, I meant Canada will be entitled to their opinion. Just like if I say, Emma will be Emma. I dont mean it in the wrong way. But dont turn it around to make it sound like something else.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

Okay fine, I am sorry, thats just the way I took it. I apologise, it was the way I interpreted it.