Kattie

Unless it is explicitly written in the founding documents, then the religion of the people is irrelevant. If this were a Christian nation, then the provisions for freedom of religion and no religious tests for office would not exist. A theocracy, like Saudi Arabia, forces everyone to conform to things such as Islamic dress regardless of religion. Not so in America. You aren't forced to be Christian to hold office or even believe in God.

Nice try, but no cigar. Some Nazis probably did think that God was on their side. Some of the Allies thought the same thing. Who is right? Nobody. Unless you are God, then it is presumptious to decide what "side" he is on.

I am a Deist. I have zero problem with people who are Christian or otherwise that practice their religion. Just don't push it on me. In case you haven't noticed, the United States foreign policy on Israel is based on the Christian belief. Also, Remember Bush and his "faith-based initatives". Don't forget School Prayer and Vouchers. Just a few examples. This is MY tax dollars going to this stuff. So, i would say it is being forced upon me. Voting in my district, is an exercise in futility, but i do it anyway. To be honest, i really dont care what you believe, however i've heard your argument a million different times from different people and felt the urge to respond.

Kattie

Sorry if i misspoke, when i say Christian, i speak mainly of the 700 club right. I know that not all christians are wackos. In fact, my best friend is studying right now to be a priest and is one of the most tolerant people i know.

I know about Wicca, however some people refer to themselves as witches rather than wiccans. There is no set doctrine. The only term you cannot use is Warlock because that means oath breaker. I guess i should have used Pagans instead. Aye well.

MX3

O so are you saying that the Holocaust was right then?

I can say what I think and it isnt pushing it on you. If you have a problem with your tax dollars take it up with the government.

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Its funny that you say that I am trying to push something on to you seems to me I have been the one having to defend my religion not you!!

FantaOrSprite

Actually I do believe that Hitler once said that God was on his side. Pretty ironic considering his main agenda was killing God's chosen people the Jews. But what do you expect from a man half crazed with syphlis?
I think God doesn't agree with wars personally. In the New Testament it says to turn your cheek the other way if someone hits you , to love your enemy and the like , plus thou shall not kill, so I agree it is presumptious to decide where God stands on something. I hate when people kill in the name of God when God doesn't stand for that at all, actually just the oppisite.
Kat, I wasn't aiming my comments on you, just venting, because I have faced so much prejudice in my life over being a Christian. It seems like when you annouce you believe in something people auto matically want to disprove what you believe in ..I'm just so sick of people wanting to call me stupid and ignorant for believing in something. Its just errrr...
BTW what is a Deist?

FantaOrSprite

Yes, I totally have run into people like that. I consider myself openminded. I try not to judge anyone based on lifestyle choices, and I certainly don't walk around telling people they are going to burn in hell or something. Its not my place to judge, only Gods. I just wish somepeople could be as tolerant to me as I am to them (in my real life)

Kattie

Nobody cares if you practice your religion and certainly nobody is stopping you. If you want to wear a sandwich board that says "Gay Marriage Sucks" and parade on Main Street, go for it. Just don't try to codify your religion into law. The law must take into account for everyone and not just you. Christian fanatics arent bible believers but rather those that long for America to follow Old Testament laws officially. If Muslims tried to make Sharia the law of America, i would be a burr in their britches too.

SIGH

The point was obviously not whether the Holocaust was good or bad, the point was the God doesn't pick sides. You aren't God, so you can't say for sure what side he is on. You can only guess.

I do. I vote everytime there is an election. So i have earned my right to bitch. Sadly, voting is like masturbation. It feels good, but ultimately accomplishes nothing. The same wingnuts in my parish keep getting reelected because they have major campaign dollars. Doesn't help either that my representative has the intellectual prowess of a styrofoam peanut.

It's not personal, i don't hate you or anything. I'm not anti-Christian just anti-fanatic. I'm just so fucking pissed off about Bush that i want to reenact that scene from the movie Cold Turkey where the woman is standing on the roof screaming. I don't want my country to turn into a Christian Taliban step by step and that is where i see it going.

Kattie

That's ok, It's hard to tell on a message board what a person is trying to say. lol
A Deist believes that God exists, but does not intervene in the lives of people. Basically, he made the Earth and is watching us, but not interfering with anything.

FantaOrSprite

But in Christianity we believe basically the same thing..God doesn't interfer, you have free will to do whatever , so how is it different? I am really ignorant when it comes to this.....

YesJess

Wow, where in the any documents can you prove this country was based on Christianity? Sure that may have been the main religion at the time so, so what. That proves nothing.

This country was based on Freedom. That includes freedom of Religion, Speech, etc. So I'm going to let you be a Christian and let me believe what I want. I've met too many people that are Christians, however, that do the opposite of what they say they believe in. Many Christian people judge other religions. And you know what bugs the crap out of me? When people say "My Religion is right and yours is wrong end of story." It's kind of like, what the hell and you know that how?. Yeah it's what you believe, but does that mean you have to close off all other religions and be so close minded as to think your religion is the right one?

Stone Cold

there's an old joke that went something like "one day a Buddist died and went to heaven. when he got inside St. Peter welcomed him to eternal happiness. but the Buddist asked 'what is on the other side of that wall?' Peter said "oh that, that's where the Catholics are, they think they are the only one's up here.'"

i don't have a problem with people having other beliefs and religions. and i think it is sad that there are Catholics and Christians out there who do try and force their religion on everyone, it gives the rest of us a bad name and leads to people stereotyping us all into the same group. what i do have a problem with is when people attack my beliefs or go around saying what the Church should and shouldn't change within. sure you can make suggestions but remember that you're not the ultimate decision maker either.