FantaOrSprite

Wonderful post as usual. I love reading your posts on religion and such because they are so thoughtful and insightful.

I couldn't agree with you more in what you said. Typically the one bad apple just spoils the rest of the barrell. Whenever anyone does anything bad and happens to be a religious fanatic (or claims to be) I just cringe, cause thats one more thing non -believers will use to throw in my face to make me question my faith. And frankly I don't need those questions.

GrgotSlave

Yeah, he really has a way with words. Very nice!

IamA-BFG

Awwww

You don't know how much that meant to me---to feel so appreciated for simply speaking my mind--is a WONDERFUL thing!

And, Adeel, I appreciate what you said just as much!

I had no idea I was this appreciated....makes me happy

RoM

And what about struggling in order to make those you oppose go away? or struggling in order to capture this city or another? you can impliment the word "struggle" in many ways....those who do those terror attacks definitely struggle, they struggle to achieve their reality, the reality they see as right, there are different types of struggles, in their eyes they also struggle, and define this struggle as Jihad, which is not wrong

GrgotSlave

I was saying that the media was making it up! it doesn't mean the term was fit for the situation. Yes it is wrong, cuz they're using it in the sense that it's a holy war. What's not wrong about that? They're making up yet ANOTHER lie about our religion. And once A.G.A.I.N! What those people commit those terrorist attacks, they are not following Islam, in no way does Islam permit such actions.

RoM

Ok, they are not following Islam then...then tell me why does the Syrian and Lebanese governments let Hizbollah attack Israel on a daily basis on the name of Jihad? why didnt countries like Iran and Saudi arabia prevented from individuals conducting attacks in the United States? and in so many other places.....why does Al Qaeda has so much sports within the muslim world?
I agree they do not act in the name of Islam! why however, nobody stops them? there are so many of them and their majority lives and evloves from Muslim nations...

GrgotSlave

I have no frickin' idea. I dont know what the heck goes on in those countries. All i know is, as a fact, that no Muslims what-so-ever is persuaded to commit terrorism because of Islam. Those people do what they want to do. I dont know what's going on in their heads. I dont know why no one stops them. Maybe they just dont want to get stuck in the middle.

RoM

Those muslim terrorists are being convinced in mosques, its a fact that head of mosque sit on the friday holy prayer and convince fellow muslims to go against jews/christains whatever....i do not claim it happens in all mosques, it does happen however, and not rarely....try going to a mosque in Iraq, Saudi arabia, Jordan or Ramallah and you will realize the bitter truth, sheikhs (or however they are called) use the power to incite masses against other religions/nations etc....they are using their powers and the fate others have in them in order to achieve and accomplish their sick desires.......
This isnt a made up nor a rare phenomenon, it happens everyday, in many places, and this should be stopped immediately, and in order for it to stop we should first make people, especially muslims who want to live in peace (and there are many) realize those phenomenons happens, and make them realize they are wrong and should be stopped, once muslims will start to rebel against other muslims who are criminals and encourage killing, we can then ,maybe, start getting results of this struggle....
but when nations like USA,Britain or Israel are only getting flakked for fighting terror, then the problem is far from being solved, in fact the problem is not even recognized by a big part of this planet, and that is my friend, very very sad.

GrgotSlave

Muslims terrorists are being convinced in Mosques to commit more terrorism? That is be biggest crap of bullshit i have EVER heard! Have you ever even been in a Mosque? No way to the 'heads' of the mosques of the Friday prayer sit there and tell them to go against Jews/Christains! What the Fuck are you talking about. You're just making your own bullshit. Shieks ARE NOT MUSLIMS! They're a sect of hinduism and have nothing to do with Islam. As i said, get your facts straight and then talk. So you think Muslims going against one another is a good thing? Islam does NOT encourage Muslims fighting one-another, the faithful muslims, i know for a fact, will try to resolve the conflict peacefully. And trust me, the person that leads the prayer would definetely NOT convince hatred on other Muslims. The second i read that, i knew that you were just coming up with some pile of bullshit. You know nothing about Islam and try to act like you know it all, that you know everything that goes on in the Muslims community, and the fact of the matter is, YOU DONT! You just sit there and try to act like you do when you don't. You're hearing this from a Muslims himself and trust me, i know the facts, you dont!

RoM

Stop taking your own case and generalizing it, im sure that in the mosque you go to it doesnt happen, but there are VIDEOS out there, and witnesses that proves my case, those things DO happen, terrorists DID find a shelter in mosques, and that is a FACT and proven! if you tried looking for 10 min you would have found SO MANY evidences to that, History proves it, present proves it, and future will as well, those things are unfortunate but still happen....waht do you think happens in Jerusalem??? why did the palestinien uprising start?!!?!? those head of mosques sit there and preach and incite masses and they go out after the friday prayer and start their violnce, you really dont know that? or maybe thats also something you never really checked? if thats the case then CHECK IT, open your eyes, those things happens in this world, maybe it doesnt in the environment near you but IT DOES, and its horrible, stop saying it doesnt happen and check! try looking around you? are you really that blind and not seeing? or you just refuse to see? OPEN YOUR EYES and look around you, its not all pink, stop being so narrow minded and disproving everythin i say, am I that full of crap? are you taht sure? how come the US government agrees? how come the Israeli government agrees? could it be that the big USA is leading a campaign of anti-Islam and nobody gives a shit? OR IS THERE REALLY SOMETHING BEHIND IT?!!?


And BTW YES I have been in a mosque before, not in Israel tho, because in Jerusalem the muslims dont let JEWS in the mosque, why? go figure yourself, i know the answer already