RoM

Freedom of choice is only valid once it does not hurt the feeling of the other, the freedom of choice doesnt allow you to murder does it?

Schools must be a neutral place, school isnt about practicing a certain religion, its about getting education, each factor which may disturb the main reason schools are here-giving education, MUST DISAPPEAR, religion-as one must disappear in school.
France is in a situation where schools are too tensed mostly because of religion issues, and I strongly support the French decision!

Im_In_The_Zone

LMAO.Headscarves are the things the musslims wear on their head right?If so damn do it everywhere those things are ugly sorry.In my opinion it annoys me.Gosh if I was musslim I wouldn't wanna wear no stupid thing on my head I'd feel dumb.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

Its called Culture, being a part of something you believe in. Have some respect for others and their beliefs.

IamA-BFG

Ron, I'm sorry, but majority does NOT equal correct! Ron, remember when the majority thought the world was flat? Well, IS it flat???

Or what about the majority thought man would never make it to the moon? Well, I guess man never did make it to the moon, did they?

Or what about when the majority of Nazis supported killing Jews? I suppose that was justified, right?

What about when the majority of people thought this or that person in Salem was a witch and should be burned?

Yes Yes!....I suppose if the majority decides something, that that something MUST be right!

GrgotSlave

First of all, who the heck do you think you are making fun of Islam when you have no idea of what the hell you're talking about. I suggest you stop talking out of your ass and actually start focusing on what's in front of your eyes. There are reasons why Muslim women were the Hijab. We don't just wear it because Allah told us to, we wear it for many reasons. It's really sad that you let people bend your faith in God just because of what they wil think of you, how pathetic. Just read this:

When you go to the mall and you see a girl wearing like a half shirt and a mini-skirt, what is the first thing u think of...exactly...dont lie....you think of sex. Look at society today, all they base everything on is sex. "sex sells" which is like a major quote in marketing today. When people think of sex, all they focus on is the pleasure invovled and dont care about anything else.

The reason Islam does not let people get those dirty thoughts about sex is because that's all you begin to think about. Mostly all guys talk about is sex because of the clothes that girls wear now-a-days that show thier bodies and whatnot. Islam teaches people to learn about their faith, which is MUCH more important than sex because faith is what determines your fate in the hereafter.

Also, the reason why women wear those hijabs (headscarves) Is because so people dont get the bad thoughts, and it's also protection. You're more likely NOT to be harrassd by a guy that way. AND, it's like a shield. When you look at a girl wearing a hijab, that's all you can do, look at her, you can't get any bad thoughts because it's like a forcefield.

For instance, let me give you an example incase you still dont agree/dont get it. Pretend your freind brings a Jewel to class, if he shows the jewel to class, EVERYONE would want to take a peek at it or even try to take it away from you. People would try to manipulate you in away way just so they would be able to get their hands on that jewel. So, the next day, if you covered up the jewel, would anyone notice it? No. Would they try to take advantage of you? No. Would they pretend to like you just so they can try to steal the jewel? No.

It's the same thing in Islam, women are like jewels and should be treated as such. There is NO law in Islam that states that men are superior to women. Both men and women have the same status...we believe that man itself is all equal....gender does not consider superiority.




and RoM, just to tell you, it's already been proven that more people have been killed under the name of Christianity than any other religion. For instance, The King and Queen Of Spain, The Spanish Crusades etc...

Thank you ForeverInLoveWithJus. I really appreciate it.

And Dan, that was a really good post you made there.

ForeverInLoveWithJus

No Problem, I cant stand rubbish like that.

RoM

This is not the same at all, those are examples for ignorance, we are not debating whether the world is flat or not or any other things like that....This is about democracy and about implimenting it, in democracy the majority approves and legislates, when the majority does so a law is legitime and therefore should be respected BY ALL! not merely by those we supported it! this is democracy and part from it is disagreeging, some disagree to this decision but they must respect it! majority decided, whether its right or not its not for this or that individual to decide...



BritneySlave- give it few more years, I belive that will change as well, dont forget Islam is relatively new. Its not something to brag about either way, killing "less" doesnt make it any better really

GrgotSlave

Islam is relatively new? Are you kidding me? That's why it's been the fastest growing religion in the world now. Oh, i didn't say "less". Trust me, the Christians were way brutal with what they did. I dont want to get back to this, just forget it, it's pointless, you're close-minded newayz.

Ohh, and riiiiiight, forcing people to disobey their religion just because they dont feel it's right isn't ignorance.

IamA-BFG

That example is also of ignorance. If the majority are ignorant on an issue which they vote against (which, in a good many cases, I'd say that's true), then why does that make that anything but ignorance? Also, the "majority" should be properly represented with equal numbers of people with diverse backgrounds, which IT ISN'T and will never be, simply because there are MORE of this type of person or that type of person. Just because there are more of a type of a person doesn't mean that type of a person is right, and, a good amount of the time, similar types of people will vote in similar, if not exactly the same ways, so it's even hard to argue that they are different minds on some level.

A lot of it also has to do with what I have in my signature....people bandwagon a lot, whether they like to admit to it or not (and I'm not asking anybody to admit to it--you know if you are or not....or maybe you don't know???). Anyhow, put simply, one or a few people actually have ideas they believe strongly in, they get a few genuine supporters, then more and more cling to that philosophy or idea simply because it is the "popular" way to go and the way that "everybody does things". Such thinking is not too far off from yours, Ron. In my mind, you think like if most people agree to a certain something, that something must be right---EXACTLY what bandwagoning is, almost to a "T". You are agreeing with them ONLY because of it is the "popular" thing to do. DON'T!

Also, don't just purposely disagree because something is popular either......in other words, be anti-anything popular. That's JUST as bad almost!

Instead, take all views (or as many as possible) into consideration. THEN and only then make up your OWN mind, NOT getting the advise or counsel from anyone else or their decision first as that would bias you. Just DO it in your own mind

I think this effectively proves my point that popular decision is not always correct decision or thinking, and if you still don't believe me, Ron,....I conjecture you are in the wagon

RoM

Islam is the newest religion out of the 3 biggest ones, the fact it is the fastest growing means nothing about its age...
And calling me narrow minded im simply not true whether you agree with it or not...
I wonder if youd support this issue in the same enthusiasm if we were talking about jews only, because the fact is jews (whats left of them) in arab nations cant fully express themselves, do you also oppose that?


Daniel- what you said obviously shows you neither know me or my views in addition you show a large lack of knowledge in the European (in this case French way of making decision or parliament) not the whole world is like the US parliament (which lacks representitive from all wings of society thats true).
The French parliament is very varied and represents many wings of the french society and the fact this law was supported by an overwhelming majority of nearly 70% speaks for its own.

About your suggestion that i do not conclude my own opinion I can only say this, for someone who knows me for quite long it seems that you didnt manage to figure me, I think on my own, not like many other I do conclude my own opinion and its sad you didnt see it and still dont, I do not disagree or agree simply because the majority approves or disapproves a given proposal, the reality in France is simply impossible, there are daily physical and verbal fights between Jews\Christians and Muslims, I think that the french president shouldnt be underrated, a free country like France wouldnt go and legislate a law like this one if it wasnt needed and if they didnt all they POSSIBLY could in order to solve this differently, I am French myself, ive been to France many times, alot of my family members live there and im pretty aware of the reality there (much more than you two for sure) and THATS what made me reach my decision and made me fully SUPPORT this proposal....

Both of you-
This law also acts against Jews not just muslims it abloishes the rights as well and I do still support it there for saying im anti muslims is not only uncalled for, its simply inaccurate.
The fact you repeatedly call me narrow minded and ignorant simply demonstrate you have no better arguments, using a law vocabulary doesnt make you more right or correct it just makes me think lower of you. the fact you do so (especially britneyslave) might offend others, it doesnt offend me, Im simply better than that.

Have a nice day and Shalom, Ron