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Originally posted by ForeverInLoveWithJus
I had to ask my Dad today what this was all about, He seems to think the only reason France voted No and probably why Holland will vote no too is because they dont like their government but that cant be right? |
Your dad is right. The reason many people in France voted No has to do a lot with what I already lined out a bit. Since the leaders of France united the country with the other candidates, more people became jobless and prices doubled. The same happened here in the Netherlands. But this isn't what was promised. So therefore the people feel betrayed. Plus the fact that the leaders of both France and NL have a history of doing things that the people disagree with. Unrelated stuff. Add it all up, and the people pretty much no longer have faith in their leaders. Result will be that people will think whatever these leaders find being a good idea, would logically be the exact opposite for
them. And so they vote No, without having truly read the constitution.
But the constitution is what, 800 pages? There's lots of bullshit painted around the idea of it, which also makes it suspicious. And confusing too, as GJ said.
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Originally posted by brit4ever
That plus the fact that people don't know what it's all about. Nobody understands what will change and what won't. The no-voters still have a slight advantage, we'll see what happens Wednesday.
In the phamphlets that everyone in Holland received, there was written: "All countries have to vote yes, otherwise the new European Constitution won't be introduced".
Now that makes me wonder, why do we need to vote? And if we do and we say no, will our government follow the Dutch people? |
For our people, I believe we have to vote No. What's happening now is history in the making, right? And history is time. And time is a repetative process. People are born, people die. Time and again. Human customs are repetative too.
The way I see it, it all dates back to the time of the Indians, and how White Man came onto their Plains. At first White Man made a city here and there. Then from there visited the parts where the Indians lived to trade in peace. The cities grew and White Man wanted to share eachother's resourches. A treaty was made. The Indians would give land to White Man, while White Man would give Indians water supply, food, other drink. White Man had sent a representative to the Indians to offer the treaty, a Captain who was a fair and noble man. The Indians signed because they trusted the Captain. And the Captain meant well, yes. But his superiors, the ones who have the ultimate say, started making decisions that even the Captain disagreed with.
Soon a new treaty was composed and presented where more land was requested, and the Indians to be moved to a different location. A place however, too small to be able to hunt for food. So the treaty suggested the Indians start farming instead.
Well we all know the course of history. White Man kept taking more and more from the Indians by so called peace treaties and big promises. Eventually, White Man took all of it, and the way of the Indians is pretty much extinct now. There's not a place in the US that doesn't have a McDonalds nearby, so to speak.
So let's assume that Balkenende is a good man, and really has good intentions for our country, just like he says he does. So Balkenende makes a good point that the concept of United Europe will make it strong, will make us strong, will help us fight terrorism, will put us in the better position, etc. Let's assume we can trust him, and that the things he says look very promising.
But Balkenende can say so many things. Just like the Captain, once Europe unifies, Balkenende will have superiors also, who will ultimately determine what Europe should be like. Things will happen that Balkenende does not agree with, and Balkenende can be overruled. They might make up voting systems and stuff like that to make things look equal, but as you can see with the Eurovision festival as Liselotte pointed out, Europe isn't equally devided to even be able to HAVE a good working voting system. Us Europeans aren't all the same. Our countries are different with different cultures and different history. The culture with the superior number will ultimately dominate, and eradicate the "inferior" cultures. Be it politically or by an intercontinental war.
This is how White Man destroyed the Indians, and history has a tendency to repeat itself. We're people. You can't trust all of us. And if you can't trust all of us, then all of us can't build a unity that works.
So that's what I see happening if the constitution will be a fact, so what would happen if there
won't be one? What if the Indians said No to that treaty right away? Some of them did. White Man went to war with them. Will the EU go to war with us if we refuse? Who knows. I don't think they will, because I believe more countries will vote No, England won't join, and eventually the constitution will not have the power balancing to it's side far enough to be able to have a war.
The reason they want to Unite Europe is to put it on par with the US and China. It's all about the power. Three strong forces dominating the world, instead of small little countries living in peace.
Bottom line, the reason I don't believe in a United Europe is because absolute power corrupts absolutely.
