The European Union - Page 2 - Eternal Allegiance

ElectronicWorm · 05-17-2005, 06:48 AM

Im going to vote for 'NO' on the elections. I dont feel like we should have this law when its not based on equal rules. I mean, Holland is pretty small, and if it is how i was presented it to be, then we dont have much to say. If the big 3 (england, germany, france) say 'yes' to something, then we dont even have to bother because we can never beat them anyway.

Then to the Turkey part. I dont think they should become a member. They have a different view on certain things, which has to do with believes. They are too different from the other countries in the EU. Plus, its like for 90% in Asia, so its basicly the same as Isreal joining the EUROvision song contest.. it makes no sence.

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 05-17-2005, 10:33 AM

Israel being in the Eurovision is different though. I enjoy being part of the EU. Its all good.

DrTagnian · 05-18-2005, 02:41 AM

Honestly I can't say it's really clear of what the changes are going to be if we're going to have a European constitution. The Dutch government is sending out pamphlet, but nobody understands them, even the most high educated people!

What I do understand and find a bit weird is the part where it says that if a majority of a country says NO against this European constitution, it won't be introduced. But Mr Nikolai (for the Dutchies

) says it still can be introduced.

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 05-18-2005, 09:36 AM

Now that sounds a little bit weird!

PapRoach123 · 05-18-2005, 09:54 AM

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that our government wants us to vote FOR the whole thing. They are the ones who put it in motion without asking us, so they need us to vote Yes now. They'll do whatever they can to get us to vote Yes, but all done in a politically correct way of course.

They've also tried to influence our judgement by putting word out that voting No is a waste of vote because it can't be turned around anyways. So if that's the case, then why this voting suddenly? Cause they made a HUGE mistake in excluding the people in this decision, and so now they're trying to politically cover their asses so that we won't be able to say that the people didn't have a say in things anymore.

The biggest problem with this thing as I see it is that since we used to be a country that did extremely well, we're now the ones who have to be sharing. Theoratically that sounds nice and cool, but when you take a look at what happens inside the machine, you see that every single civilian will have to pay for it. Prices moving up, and a frozen salary for each of us. But the suits who arranged this little thing have salaries up in the millions, so they won't even notice. But the hard working man with families and such aren't able to give up any more of their money. Just look at how many normal families are draped in dept, which will take years to pay off, some won't even be able to pay them off at all anymore. These are normal standard families who were used to be able to go on a vacation once a year. Now they can't do that anymore without doing another loan somewhere. Result is that companies don't get money from these people anymore since they don't have it, and that's bad for our economy also.

While I was watching TV a couple of months back this suit comes on and says "Something's wrong, people aren't spending their money anymore. They're saving it up for some reason." What the hell? Open your eyes man, people don't HAVE any money left! The house, the car, food in the supermarket, clothes, electricity, baby clothes for those with children, schools and studies, EVERYTHING is so damn expensive these days, that in order to still be able to build an existence, at least both parents HAVE to have a job, else they just won't be able to have any kids anymore. And that, that I find very sad. And just as sad, the statistics regarding the number of homes having depts everywhere. It's just plain scary.

So while we give our hard earned money away for the less fortunate countries joining the EU, in 10 to 20 years, since we're such a small country, we ARE among those less fortunate countries, and we'll be completely dependable on Germany and France and those pinheads.

But the suits and ties of our country will still have their oh so important political careers and their 4 times a year 10 week excursions of pleasure to the Carribean.

So yeah as far as EU and this country goes, I say exit right now before it's too late for us, heh. Hell it already is. Our society is already based on a 2-way income, and even those families are starting to get in trouble now.

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 05-18-2005, 10:07 AM

I dont mind sharing. Ireland have benefitted so much from the EU, we wouldnt have the fantastic economy that we have now without it. I like the fact that I am part of a bigger picture and that I can give something to these smaller countries.

PapRoach123 · 05-18-2005, 10:13 AM

I don't mind sharing with them either, but I'm fairly against trading places with them.

ForeverInLoveWithJus · 05-18-2005, 10:16 AM

Yeah and I wouldnt do that either and I dont see that ever happening.

ElectronicWorm · 05-19-2005, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Stinger
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that our government wants us to vote FOR the whole thing. They are the ones who put it in motion without asking us, so they need us to vote Yes now. They'll do whatever they can to get us to vote Yes, but all done in a politically correct way of course.

They've also tried to influence our judgement by putting word out that voting No is a waste of vote because it can't be turned around anyways. So if that's the case, then why this voting suddenly? Cause they made a HUGE mistake in excluding the people in this decision, and so now they're trying to politically cover their asses so that we won't be able to say that the people didn't have a say in things anymore.

The biggest problem with this thing as I see it is that since we used to be a country that did extremely well, we're now the ones who have to be sharing. Theoratically that sounds nice and cool, but when you take a look at what happens inside the machine, you see that every single civilian will have to pay for it. Prices moving up, and a frozen salary for each of us. But the suits who arranged this little thing have salaries up in the millions, so they won't even notice. But the hard working man with families and such aren't able to give up any more of their money. Just look at how many normal families are draped in dept, which will take years to pay off, some won't even be able to pay them off at all anymore. These are normal standard families who were used to be able to go on a vacation once a year. Now they can't do that anymore without doing another loan somewhere. Result is that companies don't get money from these people anymore since they don't have it, and that's bad for our economy also.

While I was watching TV a couple of months back this suit comes on and says "Something's wrong, people aren't spending their money anymore. They're saving it up for some reason." What the hell? Open your eyes man, people don't HAVE any money left! The house, the car, food in the supermarket, clothes, electricity, baby clothes for those with children, schools and studies, EVERYTHING is so damn expensive these days, that in order to still be able to build an existence, at least both parents HAVE to have a job, else they just won't be able to have any kids anymore. And that, that I find very sad. And just as sad, the statistics regarding the number of homes having depts everywhere. It's just plain scary.

So while we give our hard earned money away for the less fortunate countries joining the EU, in 10 to 20 years, since we're such a small country, we ARE among those less fortunate countries, and we'll be completely dependable on Germany and France and those pinheads.

But the suits and ties of our country will still have their oh so important political careers and their 4 times a year 10 week excursions of pleasure to the Carribean.

So yeah as far as EU and this country goes, I say exit right now before it's too late for us, heh. Hell it already is. Our society is already based on a 2-way income, and even those families are starting to get in trouble now.

VERY well said! Couldnt agree more.

Teemu · 05-20-2005, 04:18 AM

I don't like that we (Finland) are in EU. All those restrictions. Things were great before we joined, and overall they still are. But small cities/towns like where I live, where still is agriculture(or whatever it's called), have problems because of all those restrictions. But because most finns live in "big" cities there was nothing we could have done when the "join or not" voting was on.
About that new law thing, I hope it will never come. And of course there is not gonna be voting about it in our country..