MX3

We also worship God the creator. But when we pray we pray it in Jesus name because he being the sacrafice for our sins is what makes us worthy of approaching him basically. I know what you mean about the contradictions but if you are 100% familiar with the Bible that we have it answers all of them. I am not yet at 100% but still workin on it and will continue to. In our religion we are also supposed to know it and study it so we know it that well also but alot of people don't. But alot do still. More should though

The Millennium is, first the anti-christ will come then alot of people will be decieved by him, but ya knew that then after that when Jesus comes..the first day that he comes he is going to level all of Isreal and his kingdom will be set up there. Satan will be bound in the pit for a thousand years we will all be changed into our spiritual bodies.. and those of us that weren't decieved by the anti-christ will teach with him for a thousand years and that is called the Lords day cuz a day with the Lord is as a thousand years with man. Alot will then believe but alot still will not. Then after that Satan is let loose again and that is when he sends out those locusts and everything *u know what I am talkin bout right* cuz he is mad cuz he knows he doesnt have much time and after that whoever still wont believe will be thrown in the pit with satan and blotted out forever.

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I shortened it up quit a bit but ya get the basic idea there.

How much of that is the same as yours?

GrgotSlave

um...about the whole Millenium thing, i've never heard of that, i dont think we believe in that cuz i've never ever heard of it.

See...i dunno if i already told you...Muslims believe in God as one, and one only. He is one and doesn't share any power. We do believe in Mary as giving birth do Jesus as a virgin.

The contradictions i was talking about was where the bible was 100% inspired by God, cuz there are verses directly saying the bible isn't inspired. I can show you with complete examples and explanations if you want. I can give you a verse saying in the bible that the torah is corrupt. And there are many other things as well...

Sorry, i'm not trying to come out as rude or insulting if that's what you're getting.

MX3

Yeah I know ya told me that I remember

We also found the dead sea scrolls also and they match up exactly with the old greek and hebrew text so I dont know how you can say it is wrong.

Maby you guys use something else then. What is a Torah I have never heard of that either!

And the Bible is inspired by God it says it ALL over in the Bible so I dont know how you can say that either! He and his angels showed the prophets everything and told them everything to write to us. It says it everywhere!

O do u guys believe in Angels? If ya dont believe that God shares power? Just wondering so dont take it bad lol.

We believe he shares power because all power comes from him of like any kind but he has like so much more than us it is unconcievable ya know. We are like nothing compared to him because the only power we have is what he gives us and is only through believing in Jesus it is his power but we just get to use it.

GrgotSlave

The Greek and Hebrew texts aren't the orignal ones. The original one is written in aeromaic. It also says it in the movie "Stigmata". Yeah, we believe in Angels. Those are also Allahs creations. Humans have a higher place than angels because humans have free will but angels dont.

For the last paragraph, i really understand where you are coming from. We don't have any power. We are merely created. What power are you talking about?

About the Bible being 100% inspired, here are some quotes from the Bible that contradict that.(Please don't take this the wrong way like i'm bashing you, i really dont want to get that impression)

"But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord..." (I Corinthains 7:12)

Luke Said:
"I resolved also....to write" (The Gospel According to Luke 1: 1-4)

Paul said:
"Now concerning virgins, i have no command from the Lord, but i give my opinion" (Pauls First Letter to the Corinthians 7:25)

Paul said:
"There I think....." (I Corinthians 7:26)

Paul said:
"according to my opinion..." (I Corinthians 7:40)

Paul said:
"I certainly think..." (I Corinthians 7:40)

Paul said:
"See! I, Paul, am telling you..." (Paul's Letter to the Galatians 5:2)

How can these verses be from God when the Bible itself says it's not?

MX3

Im not about to put my trust in a movie..but I am gonna check that out and see if its true or not so thanks. BTW my cousin was the actress in there O yeah we believe that too that people are higher than angels too

Any power whatsoever, wisdom comes from him, power against evil comes from him. just everything does.

The Prophets say things also in the Bible if God didn't want those parts in the Bible they wouldn't be he controls it overall. They were here to teach of course they are saying it but it comes from God.

Whatever Bible you are reading there though isn't the same one that I use, cuz they aren't the same as you wrote there some not the same at all some are close but not right.

GrgotSlave

Wow, about the angels thing, i thought u were gonna find that ludacris or something, cool!

You're cousin was in the movie? Who was it? And about that...the reason i brought that up was because they probably had to do some research and confirmed that was the original text cuz i dont think they wouldn't want it to be false. Ask a priest at your church, maybe he'd know?

Power against evil is our own will. We decide if we listen to satan or not. He gave us a brain, yes, but he also gave us a limit. That's why the smartest person only reached a max. of 10%.

So with your third paragraph you're saying that God wanted those contradictions in the bible. I'm a little confoozed there.

There are 80 versions of the bible, so it's kinda hard to find which one you're using. I can even show you scans of those quotes, and many others.

MX3

Yeah it was Patricia Arquette she was the one who played the possesed one lol the main one.

I'm not gonna ask a priest cuz I don't trust em 100% but I'm gonna check it out still myself.

Yeah we have free will to decide if we want to do good or evil but we have authority over evil I should say through Jesus like if we say to him to leave in Jesus' name he has to. That's what you do when you bless a house or they perform an excersism they cast things out in Jesus' name. They have to believe in Jesus for it to work.

If u understand the whole Bible completely those contradictions are answered. I am still learning but..they asked Jesus about the contradictions also and he said "If your sheep were to fall into a pit on the sabbath day would you not go in and get him out" << that isnt a quote cuz I couldnt find it rignt now but that is what he said, may have been a lamb that he said but no difference. It means that situations are different and you are to decide what is the right thing to do when certain things come up.

Jonah disobeyed a direct order from God and he forgave him because he did it out of love for his people if it was a selfish reason he probably wouldn't have it is always different for each situation. It tells you enough of them in the Bible so that you can decide what to do when you are faced with whatever comes.

I use the King James Version ...I'm sure it does say that in the one your using but it's just not the same one that I am using so mine doesn't say all that.

GrgotSlave

OMG, wow!! Do you still talk to her (your cousin)?

Yes, but we say to leave us in Allah's (god) name. But..your quote, it still doesn't answer the contradictions. It has no connection with the contradictions what so ever.

What about this:

"I am thankful i baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. Yes, i also baptized the household of Stephanas. As for the rest, i do not know whether i baptized anybody else... (I Corinthians 1:14:16).

It should be clear in that passage that Paul made a mistake and then a correction. But the mistake and the correction both remain in the Bible, Obviously, we do no object to the correction, but what about the mistake? Is that the Word of God too? If you look at the passage again, you will notice that Paul made the following three statements.

1. I baptized no one else but Crispus and Gaius.

2. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas.

3. I do no know whether i baptized anybody else.

The mistake Paul made is his first statement that he baptized no one else except two persons name Cripus and Gaius. Then he recalled thathe had also baptized the household of Stephanas, so he made this slight correction in his next statement. But the mistaken statment is still there. Is this Inspired?

Pauls third statement shows that he is not sure of the facts:
"I do now know whether i baptized anyone else" (I Corinthains 1:16)

You see, Paul is not sure whom else he baptized. He cannot remember. He knows he needs to correct his statement further by adding more names, but he cannot remember who to mention.

So the first was a mistake, the second statment is a slight correction to the first. The third statement is an admission that the correction isnot complete. All three remain in the Bible. Are these the Words of God?

From the Qur'an:
"Have they not considered the Qur'an with care? Had it been from other than Allah they would surely have found therein much discrepancy" (surah 4:82)

MX3

edit nvm I found it....

MX3

O wait I just found what you are talking about there...

here is the problem..

u skipped 15 it says lest any say that I had baptized in my own name.

He physically poured the water but he has no authority to baptize. God is the one who actually baptizes. They were baptized in Jesus name not his own it explains it more in the rest of the chapter as well. The whole Bible is the word of God so yes I would say so.

Crispus and Gaius << I dont know who those were and I have a feeling they are Greek or Hebrew words I am gonna check that out too I am sure it means something significant.

Steph-a-nas means something also, I am sure, I have to find out what though.

There is always a reason when you understand it.

I will let ya know what I find out.

*edit nvm this part* lol