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Old 09-27-2005, 07:09 PM   #71
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at least sadam isn't killing his people anymore right?
I think the people in Saddams torture chambers, are more than happy the left isn't the majority in America.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:26 AM   #72
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Yes, that is a good thing... very true. Of course we had no choice to go to war because someone jumped the gun and created a war in a place that was no threat to US. However, we are there and its a good thing. I just still want to know what was accomplished from the rest.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:53 AM   #73
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Yup. Even when she completely destroys her son's accomplishments, and doesn't even honor her son anymore? All she does is hold up a picture. That picture she always holds up of him, is just to push her far leftist agenda. She makes me sick. Who in the world is sick enough to destroy her son's image.. and if you listen to her speeches now, its not even about her son. The Political Scientist is now calling for diplomatic measures - Dont Support Israel! Free Palestine! blah blah blah. Its like she doesn't even mention her son anymore. Like she isn't here today because she never exploited her son. Even If I disagree with the war, I would uphold my child's accomplishments, rather to push an agenda. She makes me sick.
This bares repeating: I <3 Cindy and will support her fully.
Regardless of your far-right opinion, I still support her regardless of what you THINK she is or isn't doing.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:57 AM   #74
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Yes, that is a good thing... very true. Of course we had no choice to go to war because someone jumped the gun and created a war in a place that was no threat to US. However, we are there and its a good thing. I just still want to know what was accomplished from the rest.

I don't agree with this war much more than many other people in this country. Was G.W. jumping the gun once he got into office?

Our side: yes he should have waited for more support, it was a rash/rushed decision.
Their side: he had a goal that he was passionate about and wanted to get it done therefore wanted to start it as soon as he could.

Is it a shame that there are kids older and younger than myself over there risking their lives and are scared?
Our side: yes.
Their side: yes.
My thought: there are kids over there, one from my home town, who love that kind of action and can't wait to go back. he's following his commander in chief and doing something where he doesn't mind getting his hands a little dirty. freaky/messed up/scary shit going on over there, hell yes. granted not everyone feels that way. If my friend Chris had to go over there, i'd do everything i could to stop her or find a way she didn't have to. but i'd sure as hell support her, write to her and do everything i could that way too

The problem with this lady is that she seems to have forgotten what she started all this for: her son. not for political reasons so she can spread her opinion on life and politics because quite frankly i don't care because there are thousands saying the same thing. let THOSE people do the talking. she shouldn't exploit her son like that. that's like hank william's son exploiting his father: bullshit

Is G.W. the greatest leader? no. is he our leader now? yes. Do we have to wait out his office term? yes. Do we have to like it? no.

But the way i see it, no one else was going to step in and take care of sadam. do we have a right to do what we did? does that really matter now because it's already been done, we can't change the past. should someone stand idly by while a bully beats up on someone who can't defend him/herself? you always take the risk of hurting yourself by attempting to help someone else. Jesus said "what greater thing can one do than lay one's life down for a friend" what we need to do is support our troops. they are the ones over there not us. when they come back from almost getting their head blasted off/spending 8 months in a P.O.W. camp/losing a limb and see THIS WAR IS BULLSHIT, TAKE THE TROOPS OUT, THIS WAR IS FOR OIL ONLY i'm sure that doesn't sit well with some of them (just as i'm sure it sits well with some).

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This bares repeating: I <3 Cindy and will support her fully.
Regardless of your far-right opinion, I still support her regardless of what you THINK she is or isn't doing.

Ooh. So now I'm considered "Far Right" because I dont support Cindy Sheehan?

Far Right is very Different from A Conservative, and F.Y.I - Im a Reagan Conservative, not a Neocon.
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Old 09-28-2005, 10:50 AM   #76
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A conservative can have different types of meanings. It is too general. Yes, far right can be a conservative.
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Old 09-28-2005, 12:05 PM   #77
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The problem with this lady is that she seems to have forgotten what she started all this for: her son. not for political reasons so she can spread her opinion on life and politics because quite frankly i don't care because there are thousands saying the same thing. let THOSE people do the talking. she shouldn't exploit her son like that. that's like hank william's son exploiting his father: bullshit

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George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq
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This proves that Sheehan is angry at the military for "taking" her son even though he voluntarily enlisted (and reenlisted before his death). No sane person could mistake the policing in New Orleans for the war theater in Iraq. Shoot, I would have liked the National Guard to occupy my neighborhood after the hurricane.

I dealt with the National Guard at the FEMA distribution point and they were the nicest people even after standing in the 90+ heat all day. The fact that some of them had M-16s strapped to their backs didn't bother me because I knew that they were needed to keep order. Never once did it intimidate or frighten me.

Then Sheehan goes on to whinge that CNN, et. al. aren't covering her in the peace march:

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i am watching cnn and it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain...it is bad, but there are other things going on in this country today...and in the world!!!!
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After people eviscerate her (and rightly so), she apologizes albeit rather insincerely.

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Now about Hurricane Rita: I woke up on Saturday morning filled with excitement. I knew that the rally and march were going to be amazing events and I was thrilled to be a part of them. I switched on the TV and turned on CNN and for 2 hours, I watched one of their reporters in front of the same downed tree and it wasn't even raining. I knew that there was a hurricane and it was damaging. At the point of the news cycle though, I thought CNN could be covering other news.
In other words, they weren't covering Cindy Sheehan so Cindy Sheehan got upset and threw a tantrum.

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However, CNN and other mainstream news outlets ALWAYS report other news besides the illegal occupation of Iraq.
That's just absolutely false. Yes when a hurricane hits it likely won't be on the front page for a day, but there is always at least one report on the day's events in Iraq. The only time I didn't hear a report on Iraq was the two weeks after the hurricane hit and I had one local channel.

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No it wasn't. Saturday's march was just another seemingly tri-annual event. Marches with people that don't readily protest make news. For example, the Million Man March and the Promise Keepers March. An anti-war march largely made up of college kids is not news.

Plus hurricanes are a ratings boon to networks and ratings make the networks money. It isn't then hard to figure out why an anti-war march of the usual suspects will take a backseat. The march did however make it on CNN later that day.
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