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Old 08-16-2005, 06:46 PM   #11
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Cindy Sheehan is using her son's death to attention whore around the nation.

First of all, she already met with Bush once after her son died. Ms. Sheehan said that she decided against any anti-war talk at that particular meeting. So she had her chance fair and square.

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The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.
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And seriously why would Bush want to meet with her now?! Sheehan rides in on an "Impeachment Tour" bus and will basically throw barbs at him rather than engage in any meaningful dialogue. It's not like Bush will go "Oh Ms. Sheehan, you've made me see the light. Troops out of Iraq tomorrow!"

Furthermore if Bush allows a meeting to take place, then it will set the precedent that if you scream loud enough then you can strongarm a meeting with the President. That will assuredly incite violence down the line.

However, Bush did send his National Security Advisor to meet with her.

Secondly, Cindy Sheehan even says that she would feel the same way if her son were killed in Afghanistan. So it's not about the Iraq war at all ,but just another anti-Bush protest. At least have the honesty to admit it is an anti-Bush protest rather than try to emotionally manipulate people into thinking it is for some higher cause.

Her son joined the military voluntarily and knew the risks in doing so. Bush didn't force him to sign the enlistment papers and certainly didn't kill him. I think that Cindy Sheehan is looking for someone to blame for her son's death and Bush is an easy target. However, remember that Bush didn't start the Iraq war on his own. I wonder how many people at this protest are Kerry voters.

Finally come September, if not sooner, this story will become irrelevant. The more Sheehan speaks, the more she marginalizes herself. Sheehan made some remarks about Palestine this week that got her an endorsement from David Duke . That along with the fact that Sheehan announced she wasn't paying income taxes for 2004 because of her son's death, i'd say her clock reads 14:00 right now.

Whinging in a ditch isn't going to accomplish anything; Democrats would be more effective in offering reasonable solutions to ending the U.S. presence in Iraq. Certainly being the "anti-Bush" is not an winning strategy.

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Old 08-16-2005, 07:06 PM   #12
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Brainwashed or enlightened?
Hm... Brainwashed.. Anyone who says,

"They've Got To Be Some Of the Dumbest People on earth" - Micheal Moore

is clearly a traitor..

anyone who is trained to believe that is obviously brainwashed.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:11 PM   #13
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Cindy Sheehan is using her son's death to attention whore around the nation.

First of all, she already met with Bush once after her son died. Ms. Sheehan said that she decided against any anti-war talk at that particular meeting. So she had her chance fair and square.



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And seriously why would Bush want to meet with her now?! Sheehan rides in on an "Impeachment Tour" bus and will basically throw barbs at him rather than engage in any meaningful dialogue. It's not like Bush will go "Oh Ms. Sheehan, you've made me see the light. Troops out of Iraq tomorrow!"

Furthermore if Bush allows a meeting to take place, then it will set the precedent that if you scream loud enough then you can strongarm a meeting with the President. That will assuredly incite violence down the line.

However, Bush did send his National Security Advisor to meet with her.

Secondly, Cindy Sheehan even says that she would feel the same way if her son were killed in Afghanistan. So it's not about the Iraq war at all ,but just another anti-Bush protest. At least have the honesty to admit it is an anti-Bush protest rather than try to emotionally manipulate people into thinking it is for some higher cause.

Her son joined the military voluntarily and knew the risks in doing so. Bush didn't force him to sign the enlistment papers and certainly didn't kill him. I think that Cindy Sheehan is looking for someone to blame for her son's death and Bush is an easy target. However, remember that Bush didn't start the Iraq war on his own. I wonder how many people at this protest are Kerry voters.

Finally come September, if not sooner, this story will become irrelevant. The more Sheehan speaks, the more she marginalizes herself. Sheehan made some remarks about Palestine this week that got her an endorsement from David Duke . That along with the fact that Sheehan announced she wasn't paying income taxes for 2004 because of her son's death, i'd say her clock reads 14:00 right now.

Whinging in a ditch isn't going to accomplish anything; Democrats would be more effective in offering reasonable solutions to ending the U.S. presence in Iraq. Certainly being the "anti-Bush" is not an winning strategy.
I agree 100%.

She was interveiwed on Hardball, and I recall her saying she didn't want her son to go to Afghanistan, even when they the source. She didn't want her son to die, and as much as I respect him and her and his death and loyalty for his country, I think she is sick for using her son for her political gain.

Micheal Moore could give a rats behind about what this woman feels. If he did, he would go to every family who had their son die. Hes smart, so hes using her for a guarenteed win for the Democrats in 2008. There is no other reason for this, and I bet you, you're going to see her again in 2008, speaking against Republicans, and demonizing Republicans just like any radical.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:29 PM   #14
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Hm... Brainwashed.. Anyone who says,

"They've Got To Be Some Of the Dumbest People on earth" - Micheal Moore

is clearly a traitor..

anyone who is trained to believe that is obviously brainwashed.
Holy shit. IT'S NOT BRAINWASHING. When will you leave Michael Moore alone. All he does is speak his opinion to people and some people agree or disagree. Just because some people agree with his opinion DOES NOT MAKE IT BRAINWASHING. And someone USING THE BILL OF RIGHTS DOES NOT MAKE THEM A TRAITOR. Jeez louise.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:37 PM   #15
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Holy shit. IT'S NOT BRAINWASHING. When will you leave Michael Moore alone. All he does is speak his opinion to people and some people agree or disagree. Just because some people agree with his opinion DOES NOT MAKE IT BRAINWASHING. And someone USING THE BILL OF RIGHTS DOES NOT MAKE THEM A TRAITOR. Jeez louise.
He goes to other countries and tells people how horrible we are. The guy makes others hate us and gives people like me and you a bad name. Theres a reason why a lot of people in Europe dont like us, and the biggest, and I mean, biggest reason is him.

Let him say what he wants, but if he can do it, I should have the Bill of Rights with me to call him a Traitor just as he calls me and you a "Dumb People".


Also, I dont think it just magically happend, that this woman Changed her views after meeting with Micheal Moore 8 times.
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He goes to other countries and tells people how horrible we are. The guy makes others hate us and gives people like me and you a bad name. There's a reason why a lot of people in Europe don't like us, and the biggest, and I mean, biggest reason is him.

Let him say what he wants, but if he can do it, I should have the Bill of Rights with me to call him a Traitor just as he calls me and you a "Dumb People".


Also, I don't think it just magically happened, that this woman Changed her views after meeting with Micheal Moore 8 times.
People DONT hate Bush because of Michael Moore. They've hated Bush even before Michael Moore spoke out against him!!! The record breaking protesters over the war in Iraq WAS NOT because of Michael Moore. It was because we went into a country to "help" them WITHOUT being asked just like Vietnam. And we went to focus our campaign out of finding Osama to freeing a country. They DID NOT like that. I am so tired of republicans blaming other countries hating Bush all on Michael Moore!!!! Maybe they hate him because they hate a lot of the actions he's done in presidency!!!!!!! And Michael Moore called them Dumb People. SO WHAT. Only a kindergartner would go on saying immature comments like that and believe him. I DO think Michael Moore IS NOT the best example of a liberal. And it sounds like you think Michael Moore took this lady to the dark side!!! I mean come on. She's protesting, IS IT SO WRONG WHY SHE IS. People protest about EVERYTHING. Why should this be considered because of brainwashing!!!! Maybe she WILLINGLY talked to Michael Moore in the first place. He didn't kidnap her and make her listen to every word he says. And he has said he LOVES AMERICA. He just HATES the administration. JEEZ. You make him a scapegoat!!!!!
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People DONT hate Bush because of Micahel Moore. They've hated Bush even before Michael Moore spoke out against him!!! The record breaking protestors over the war in Iraq WAS NOT because of Michael Moore. It was because we went into a country to "help" them WITHOUT being asked just like Vietnam. And we went to focus our campaign out of finding Osama to freeing a country. They DID NOT like that. I am so tired of republicans blaming other countries hating Bush all on Michael Moore!!!! Maybe they hate him because they hate alot of the actions he's done in presidency!!!!!!! And Michael Moore called them Dumb People. SO WHAT. Only a kindergratner would go on saying immature comments like that and believe him. I DO think Michael Moore IS NOT the best example of a liberal. And it sounds like you think Michael Moore took this lady to the dark side!!! I mean come on. She's protesting, IS IT SO WRONG WHY SHE IS. People protest about EVERYTHING. Why should this be considered because of brainwashing!!!! Maybe she WILLINGLY talked to Michael Moore in the first place. He didnt kidnap her and make her listen to every word he says. And he has said he LOVES AMERICA. He just HATES the administration. JEEZ. You make him a scapegoat!!!!!
First of all, I want to say I respect you. As angry as I can get sometimes, I dont put !!!!!! or captalize every letter (atleast not anymore)

Now, back on topic, You're right, Moore isn't the reason why people dont like us. Mainly from Bush, but Moore is making an open wound bigger. Hes making everything worse. Sure let him say what he wants, but what hes doing, is simular to what Benadict Arnold did.

Im not saying that what she is doing should be held against the law, and whatnot, dont portray it like that, because Im not trying to do that.

I dont believe he loves America...

"They've [Americans] Have got to be some of the Dumbest people on earth"
- Micheal Moore speaking of his fellow Americans.
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And shes been brainwashed by Micheal Moore, because she took a 360 deegree turn in the opposite direction..
Now, who's to say you're not brainwashed by Bush?

P.S. This is a totally unrelated and lighter matter, but your sentence "she took a 360 degree turn in the opposite direction" makes absolutely no sense. First of all, opposite direction from what? Secondly, a 360 degree turn would have her ending in the same direction she started. You're looking more towards a 180 degree turn.
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Old 08-16-2005, 08:12 PM   #19
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Now, who's to say you're not brainwashed by Bush?
Because I've never met with the President, and the media is not in his favor, therefore, It'd be pretty hard to get brainwashed. I do my best to listen to both sides.
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Poor woman. I can't imagine having my child sent off to a war that was a big FUCKING mistake and killed for no reason at all except money. I know that would sure as hell make me want to go crazy and protest everyone and everything.

People go on and on about how Michael Moore brainwashed America or whatever. So where's your proof that he is brainwashing people? Do you know how hard it is to actually brainwash someone? The person has to be pretty weak minded to begin with. And I don't think it's possible to do it over a tv screen (although you could use subliminal messages and such).

The fact of the matter is , George, that you can't stand it when someone has a counter argument to your views. SO whenever someone is against what you believe in, you pretty much demonize them and claim they are 'brainwashing' and being a 'traitor' or a 'Bendict Arnold' or whatever. Good God, grow up and stop slinging around words like that. Accept that people are going to disagree with you and try to do so maturely.
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