Bush backs bar on gay marriage - Page 44 - Eternal Allegiance

YesJess · 08-12-2004, 12:47 PM

Straight is just the way you are made. God made you that way. You were meant to be that way.

ManSlippers · 08-12-2004, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Jess

As for not having a choice, a lot of time people are swayed. That’s kind of what I feel happened to homosexuals. They’ve been swayed into wanting to feel different, and, in feeling that, they perform these sexual acts. I believe most are just sheep following the herd.

I know you weren't generalizing, but I do want to comment one thing. Before I met Allen, I never thought I'd ever be in this type of relationship. But when you end up falling in love with someone, there is nothing "swaying" you. I fell in love with him, like you'd fall in love with someone you may want to make your future husband. It's not a choice. And I still don't think people are sheep following the heard, in this case. That just sounds rediculous, but maybe you see things I don't.

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Originally posted by Jess

About the children, whom gays are adopting, yes some of those kids were from broken homes. Yes, some have had hard lives. Yes, they may save some. But no one seems to understand how hard it is for those children to live with parents like that. I know from experience, that kids get tortured everyday. You can say if we don’t go against, no one will learn that being gay is okay. If we don’t act on it, things will never change. The truth is, kids, everywhere, will always be cruel. Those kids should not have to go through that. I know tons of straight parents who can’t have kids, and are turned away from adoption because homosexual’s are getting these children. That’s nonsense to me. Now, I’m not saying, don’t let them have kids, but don’t put the kids through that.

As for this, so you're saying children should be taught being gay is wrong? Homosexuals should not be able to have kids because they might actually raise a child with an open mind? We need MORE people like that. And it's NOBODY's business how people raise their children. Not many people are gonna force or hope for their children to be gay, duh, and it's the same for homosexuals.

And straight is NOT the way EVERYONE is made. That is a fact.

Leonida · 08-12-2004, 04:14 PM

Why anyone would wanna force their children to be gay is absurd anyway, the world is far to ignorant for any parent to wish that upon a child. Being gay is like being a second class citizen sometimes. And that is just wrong.

IamA-BFG · 08-12-2004, 06:25 PM

I feel the need to say a few things here.

First of all, since when is it a necessity that people are married before they can adopt?

I mean, if the entire argument FOR gay marriages is simply so they can adopt children, well, what was stopping them from adopting BEFORE they got married? If that is the problem, then, the question should be as to whether or not gays can adopt and NOT about gay marriages, seeing as how the two are not mutually inclusive. (Single people can adopt)

Also, if gays were allowed to marry, then, what is stopping them from demanding that they can marry in Christian churches? Now THAT is entirely WRONG seeing as how it is completely against Christianity anyway. If, perhaps, they were allowed to marry outside of Christianity (in a courthouse or in some other religion which believes gay marriage is okay), then that is a different story but they should NEVER take place in a Christian church. Anyone who thinks they should IS being selfish!

Also, what is the difference between a civil union and a marriage save the religious aspect? If all these gay couples are wanting is the tax savings/etc, then maybe change some laws so civil unions have all the same tax savings/etc as marriages and just have them with civil unions.

Otherwise, a marriage is supposed to be consecrated by God, which a gay marriage would not be. (at least not in the Christian religion)

PapRoach123 · 08-12-2004, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by FormerlyLBFG
I feel the need to say a few things here.

First of all, since when is it a necessity that people are married before they can adopt? I mean, if the entire argument FOR gay marriages is simply so they can adopt children, well, what was stopping them from adopting BEFORE they got married? If that is the problem, then, the question should be as to whether or not gays can adopt and NOT about gay marriages, seeing as how the two are not mutually inclusive. (Single people can adopt)

Your answer has already been posted:

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Originally posted by RaInBoW_bRiTe
If one has a child through whatever means, and dies , unless the child has been adopted by the other gay person, they have NO legal hold on the child. There was a case a while ago where that happened to a lesbian couple. The woman had to go to court with her lover's parents over the custody of the little girl.

The last thing a parent wants to do is have people fight over his/her kids in court. You don't do that to your kids. So you make sure everything is legally settled before you take the responsibilities of raising a child.

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Originally posted by FormerlyLBFG
Also, if gays were allowed to marry, then, what is stopping them from demanding that they can marry in Christian churches?

That would be stepping over the line, because then they are "invading" the Christian's territory, and THEN a Christian has all the rights in the world to speak up and say to here and no further.

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Originally posted by FormerlyLBFG
Otherwise, a marriage is supposed to be consecrated by God, which a gay marriage would not be. (at least not in the Christian religion)

Correct, however, the Christian religion is not superior to any other religion. And marriages are also allowed for those who do not believe in God. Had it been a pure religious event and nothing more, then I'm sure unbelievers would not marry.

In fact, a lot of (straight) people (mostly my age) I've met indeed do not marry, but that's cause they say it's too expensive. I think it's ignorant because a marriage has much more benefits than that, but it's their choice anyways. All they see in a marriage is a bunch of signed documents that cost a hell of a lot of money. So they don't marry heh.

Dirty Drink · 08-13-2004, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by FormerlyLBFG
I feel the need to say a few things here.

First of all, since when is it a necessity that people are married before they can adopt? I mean, if the entire argument FOR gay marriages is simply so they can adopt children, well, what was stopping them from adopting BEFORE they got married? If that is the problem, then, the question should be as to whether or not gays can adopt and NOT about gay marriages, seeing as how the two are not mutually inclusive. (Single people can adopt)

Also, if gays were allowed to marry, then, what is stopping them from demanding that they can marry in Christian churches? Now THAT is entirely WRONG seeing as how it is completely against Christianity anyway. If, perhaps, they were allowed to marry outside of Christianity (in a courthouse or in some other religion which believes gay marriage is okay), then that is a different story but they should NEVER take place in a Christian church. Anyone who thinks they should IS being selfish!

Also, what is the difference between a civil union and a marriage save the religious aspect? If all these gay couples are wanting is the tax savings/etc, then maybe change some laws so civil unions have all the same tax savings/etc as marriages and just have them with civil unions.

Otherwise, a marriage is supposed to be consecrated by God, which a gay marriage would not be. (at least not in the Christian religion)

Thanks you, thank you very much. *Applauds*....

CrAZyBeAuTiFuL4 · 08-13-2004, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by ~*Simon's GrrL*~
Yes, as a matter of fact I don't agree with any couples who get married just for the incentives. But how can the issue of Gay/ Lesbian Marriage be put in front of War and the Economy. Right now we need to focus on getting this country back up and running.

War is something that will never be completely solved. The Economy goes through ups and downs all the time and while we can work to bring it back up, I don't think we can ever really "fixx" it. However, we CAN sign a bill or ammendment giving people the right to marry whoever they wish to marry. It's not that hard and it's NOT going to take time and energy away from the "major" problems of this country.