PapRoach123

Tell me why that should be more important than saving the lives of helpless children. Gay marriages have been saving lives ever since it was made legal in my country, and you talk about your Christian principles being more important? And then you even dare to call them selfish and ill-mannered?

You would let those kids rot away for your principles, cause "gay marriage can't be good". Dear oh dear...

ForeverInLoveWithJus

California's Supreme Court has annulled about 4,000 gay marriages that took place in San Francisco.

The court ruled that San Francisco's mayor had overstepped his authority by issuing same-sex marriage licences earlier this year. Thousands of same-sex couples were married in the city between 12 February and 11 March, when the court issued an injunction halting the wedding spree.

The marriages had virtually no legal value, but they angered conservative groups, which launched legal challenges to nullify them. The first couple to receive a marriage licence in San Francisco, Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon, expressed sadness at the judges' 5-2 ruling.

"Del is 83 years old and I am 79," Ms Lyon said. "After being together for more than 50 years, it is a terrible blow to have the rights and protections of marriage taken away from us."

In separate legal action, the city of San Francisco and gay rights groups are suing the state of California to get the law banning same-sex marriages overturned. That case will be heard later this year.

A similar case in Massachusetts led to the legalisation of gay marriage in the state. The first gay weddings began there in May.

President George W Bush strongly opposes gay marriage and is seeking to change the US constitution to specify that marriage can only take place between a man and a woman.

Gay marriage is already banned in 38 states, but lawsuits in Florida, Nebraska, New Jersey and Oregon are seeking to have it ruled legal.

Dirty Drink

Oh right so "straight" couples don't adopt??? hmmmmmmmmmmmm, where'd you get that idea that Gay couples only adopt. Yes I'm thankful that they do save lives but you should really rad my whole post and get THE WHOLE MESSAGE. then you might understand. And my principles don't say that kids should rot. And i still say that right now.... about the selfish, ill-mannered part...again read the whole post before critiquing.

Dirty Drink

now this i do not agree with... i know i'm going to be hypocritical but what's done is done, they should be married and we should just leave it in the past. They're happy and it should jsut be done with.

PapRoach123

Most straight couples wish to have children of their "own", and 7 out of the 10 cases do not adopt for that sole reason, so the article I read said. Gay couples in that respect are incapable of having their "own" children, and thus adopt 10 out of 10 cases.

As hard as it was to read your whole post due to serious lack of paragraphs, I did manage to pull off reading everything, and I don't find any reason that justifies denying a child a home by saying no to gay marriages.

God started the human race with a male and a female, because the idea was for the human race to reproduce. With the world's current overpopulation dominating, that is no longer the case. That was then, this is now. God also started the human race with brother and sister marriages to even be able to reproduce in the first place. That is no longer the case anymore either, because things are different now, as I already touched upon a few posts back. Same concept, different problem.

As much as Bush is spending time and effort being against gay marriages, he might as well use that same time and effort to allow it then. At least that way he gives more helpless children a chance to have a life. But Bush is being a selfish man himself.

You talk about how gays are being selfish, but since when is love selfish? What is selfish is people denying them their human right to marry because of their so called Christian principles, all the while every time one Christian takes the time to complain about it, another helpless child goes down the drain. It's THAT bad. My country is living proof. Just take a damn look beyond your own borders and see for yourself.

Furthermore, you talk about how gay people are having bad timing?? This is about people wanting to be heard who have wanted to be heard for decades. Bad timing is a load of crap, sorry to say.

You talk about your country being so blessed and free and how gays should be happy they don't get the proverbial gunshot right away. Yeah sure, a free country that practices censorship to the extreme, freedom of speech but within the governments allowance, etc etc. Your constitution is a permanent document my ass. Whatever happened to the right to bear arms? Now you need a license, and you'll have to bleed in order to even obtain one anymore. And that is a GOOD thing too. If your constitution is so perfect and sound that it should remain permanent, then why does it have so many amendments?

You obviously know jackshit about MY country, a country that is 10 times more "free" than yours. How can you even say your country is the most free country of this world? You don't even know what the hell you're talking about heh.

YesJess

Alright here is my reply. If you have any questions ask me. I'll back up anything I say. If you don't understand something, ask. I'm still in shock from meeting Kelly Clarkson. lol.

You are very right. God IS in my heart. However, the Bible was what Jesus told his disciples to write. He told them to write down everything they saw, heard, etc, and write these things do. You’re right when you say the Bible is not GOD. The Bible is, however, a guide. It guides us with what Jesus said and did. We use the Bible to guide us, as I said before. If we’re in a situation we go to the Bible, and learn from it. You’ve heard the “What Would Jesus Do?” slogan I’m very sure of. That’s kind of like what it is to us. We learn about Jesus, and try to be more like him.

As for not having a choice, a lot of time people are swayed. That’s kind of what I feel happened to homosexuals. They’ve been swayed into wanting to feel different, and, in feeling that, they perform these sexual acts. I believe most are just sheep following the herd.

About the children, whom gays are adopting, yes some of those kids were from broken homes. Yes, some have had hard lives. Yes, they may save some. But no one seems to understand how hard it is for those children to live with parents like that. I know from experience, that kids get tortured everyday. You can say if we don’t go against, no one will learn that being gay is okay. If we don’t act on it, things will never change. The truth is, kids, everywhere, will always be cruel. Those kids should not have to go through that. I know tons of straight parents who can’t have kids, and are turned away from adoption because homosexual’s are getting these children. That’s nonsense to me. Now, I’m not saying, don’t let them have kids, but don’t put the kids through that.

Call me ignorant, but marriage was first a religious act to bring a MAN and a WOMAN together who loved each other. That’s exactly how I feel it is. That’s how I feel it always should be.

Yes, the unforgivable sin is denying God when the anit-Christ comes, and following him instead. Christian’s do not change that depending on the argument. At least the true ones don’t.

PapRoach123

Now we're talking.


I agree completely, that's how it should be.


Hmm yes, those exist as well. But that doesn't mean they're all like that. Homosexuality has not much to do with sexual acts though, you're a homo or lesbian when you fall in love with someone of the same gender. There is not much choice to falling in love. It just happens, and you don't get to control with whom. That applies for straight people, and for gays no different.


Well no, I do understand that, however, when you get to choose between a child in the gutter ending up as a potential criminal to save it's own life, or being raised by two gay people, I know what choice I would make. It might not be the ideal situation, but at least the child gets a chance in life to become a good and educated person.

There are more homosexual couples than there are straight couples with the inability of having children. I don't see it happening that there are suddenly not enough 'children' to come by. There are still too many in dire need of a home, if couples are being turned away from adoptation, then somewhere, someone is not doing his/her job very well.


No, I can see what you mean here. In fact, I grew up with that knowledge as well. But it's just a feeling, you know. The world doesn't stay the same just to satisfy our feelings about things. When my country first allowed gay marriages, I had a strange look on my face as well. But in all those years, I've never been confronted with one, never been bothered by one, never saw anybody do any harm because of one.

I know it's scary, too. But honestly, when is life not scary? When you go to the hospital for critical surgery, things are scary. What if I don't make it? What if the procedure goes wrong? The ever 'factor unknown', we don't know what will happen.

But the fact is gays exist and we are expected to deal with them. We can't just go ahead and deny that they exist just so that we can feel good about the future of our society. You don't filter a 'factor unknown' out by ignoring it. You deal with it and see what happens. Sometimes we have to make decisions that seem to conflict with our vision of how we imagined our lives. That is how things work in life in general. Stuff pops up that you didn't filter into your expectations. But you know what? That's what makes life so much fun.

Recently, a family member also decided to ignore 'factor unknown' by saying she didn't want to go to the hospital and have surgery, because she was afraid that she wouldn't make it. Even though her condition was critical, she pretended it wasn't and went her merry way. She died from her condition two weeks ago.

But that eventually, was her own decision to make. She didn't go to the hospital because she was afraid to die. So she died. heh.

These gay people exist. You can't mask it by saying they all have the choice to be straight. These people have been living in fear for decades, if they were able to choose for a 'normal' life, don't you think they would have by now? They can't help how they are. They want the same rights as we have. We as a society should accept this and give them their rights. So what things don't go exactly as we expected... things never do anyways heh.

YesJess

That's the thing though. Gay marriages really just don't bother me. I believe they're wrong, but then again it isn't my life. I choose how I live mine, they choose how they live theirs. I won't have to answer for them anyway, so I try my best to just not worry about it.

So many people are so... ANTI-Gay, and I'm just thinking, "People just worry about YOURSELVES. If it's such a sin then just God handle it."

PapRoach123

Yeah I agree with that too. Well then, your feelings are clear to me, and I understand them too. Thanks.

Leonida

If we choose to be gay/bi/lesbian, do you choose to be straight?