allen

I am extremely disappointed by all of the overanalytical debates in this thread, by those who claim to be justifying their beliefs by the Bible. One or two of you had points, but there rest is overanalyzing a great piece of written literature. And I'm extremely offended by those who cannot read between lines and condemn those who do, just to justify your hate towards a group of others. Bottom line, Mommy said so, right?

Do you think 3 years ago I thought I would be in love with someone of the same sex? Hell no. Ask Daniel. I would never have even let my imagination run into that type of devastation. I met Daniel around July of 2002. He was in a karaoke contest at my bar. We struck up a friendship, and he told me upfront he was going through some trouble with his then-girlfriend, and he also felt trusting enough to let me know he also had an attraction towards people of the same sex. I'm fine with it, however if anyone were to step out of line towards me, and so much as even cross a thought of hitting on me, they'd have taken an ambulance home. It isn't my thing, never was, however I had no problem with those who preferred the same sex. I grew up Catholic, and am still extremely religious to this day. I still attend church regularly and enjoy conversations about the Lord. A year later, Daniel and I were extremely close. He turned out to be my best friend, simply because he's a great person, and has a great heart - two things I knew we had in common. About March of 2003, the night of his birthday, we sat and talked about a few things because he was depressed. He told me he thought he was falling in love with me. I freaked because I didn't want to deal with it. He's a great person, and I knew that I couldn't just be angry with him - and I let him down as easy as possible - told him I'd be his friend forever, but my mind, emotions, and heart can never feel that way towards him. Ultimately, some how within the next few months, we spent a lot of time together. I was going through a divorce, and he was extremely depressed about his life. I don't think I've ever had someone I could be there more for, and vice versa. One day, just out of the clear blue - I somehow found myself loving the person he is, and the heart he has, more than just a friend. I've NEVER thought that way about ANYONE of the same sex, nor am I sexually attracted to the same sex - even now. Daniel knows this, he did then too, but while I may not be attracted sexually, I am mentally, emotionally, and I feel it in my heart. I see his heart. I see the person he is, not the sex that he is. I had a choice? I had a choice? When you are in love with someone, it is not by choice. Especially when it pains you to be apart from them even a second. And people here want to tell me God had no factor in this? It wasn't God's plan for Daniel and I to meet? It wasn't God's plan for us to become such great friends? It wasn't God's plan for us to have an attraction, two people so much alike, yet so different, to have an attraction? Things happen for a reason, and God is the reason here. You will NEVER be able to tell me that God disapproves of this connection. You will NEVER be able to tell me that the Bible disapproves of this connection. You will NEVER be able to tell me I must ask forgiveness for this supposed "sin." You will NEVER be able to tell me I cannot go to Heaven because of this connection God has placed on myself and Daniel. You know why? You're not God. You're not someone to tell me what God says. You're not the final say. You're placing your path to hell by judging others, and falsely spreading God's word. You're promoting hatred. You're promoting zero tolerance. You're promoting judgement and ignorance. You're destroying all credibility you may have had at one time during your stay here. I've never seen such a butchering of God's word. Shameful. I dare you to judge me. In fact, I challenge you. I don't give a flying damn what you think of me, and I don't give damn that you disapprove. Why? Because you're using the Bible as an excuse for your own ignorance.

peace,
Allen

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PapRoach123

It is, yes. And I have an idea of many things, don't worry.


Because when you fight fire with fire, innocent bystanders get hurt too. For example, I support you guys in your rights to be happy. I am very much against people who dare to speak to you guys the way they do. And if I didn't know Swany better than I do, I would now be offended by his words about God. I know better though, so it's all good.

Remember that not everyone who loves God says or believes these terrible things that are being expressed towards you guys. People do differ. And since it's still an open forum... that's one of the biggest reasons why Brandon should not disrespect now. Cause it's a '2 talk trash - 10 pay the price' situation. He will offend more people than he intends to.

Another reason would be that you can't ask for respect with disrespect unless you don't have a need to be respected.

€arth Ångel

I hope God doesn't make hetrosexuals go to hell. There's so many good people out there who are attracted to the same sex, and I feel they don't deserve to go to hell.

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PapRoach123

I think that is an awesome post, and I agree with your points. I don't believe God disapproves of this either. It would just not make sense if He did. I've been going over this over and over again in my head, and on paper, but every lead eventually points towards what you say. People are generally afraid of things they don't know.

They are afraid of "what" you are, that is why many want this bar against same-sex marriages. They think same-sex marriages damage society because they read in the bible that men are supposed to be with women and vice versa.

Sidenote, it's known that the world is overpopulated, and there are waaaaaay too many orphins and broken homes on our planet. Children literally suffering. God might have decided to ameliorate that situation by introducing same-sex couples to adopt children who otherwise would have ended up in the gutter somewhere, all the while reproduction (increase of world population) is not an issue with these couples.

You never know. What I DO know, is that what they are so afraid of in the US in regards to damage to society etc, had they been looking over their borders, they would see what I see, gay marriages in my country have been legal for years, and nothing changed whatsoever. Those who are not willing to accept that truth are indeed being ignorant then.

All those children without a home, and possibly end up like criminals and REALLY damage society would not even be an issue anymore if gay couples could take them in and take care of them.

YesJess

He gave you the free will to do whatever you want. That is walk with him or not. He hasn't chosen if you're going to heaven, or hell yet. Only YOU can do that. He DOES love you all. He loves you so much he gives you the choice.

He created you he has every right.

I have the right to share my opinion, and I mean no harm to you.

No one is telling you to be straight. We're simply sharing our beliefs.

Comments like that hurt ME. Would you like ME to tell you, well you're an asshole for being gay and I hope you go to hell you faggot? THAT WOULD HURT YOU. AND I would NEVER EVER say/think something like that. I respect everyone enough to not have that cross my mind. I respect who you are enough.

You attacked my beliefs, and my God. Okay, fine, don't believe. That isn't MY problem. I'm not HERE to judge you, I'm just here to share my beliefs. But PLEASE, Swany, do not make comments like that to me? It really does hurt.

FantaOrSprite

Stinger, I couldn't agree with you more. Your previous posts on how you think the Bible was altered match what I think also. I actually thought about this thread when I went to bed last night, and I was thinking about all the homosexuals I know who had a hard time coming to terms with their sexuality, because they were raised in the church. A long time ago I came to the conclusion that it wasn't a choice, because who could chose to go throught the pain they were going through in thinking that they were going to go to hell for something they couldn't control?

Its MY belief that some of the Bible isn't God's laws, its MAN's laws...whatever was socially inacceptable to some was inserted in there...so some had negative feelings for Gay's or such..and they put it in the Bible to scare others from going down that path. And it worked...I know a lot of gay people are in denial because of the way they were raised.

And who knows, maybe it was considered a sin back then, but NOW it isn't! Just like Stinger said, maybe God is trying to cut back on world population,thats actually been my theory for a while,espcecailly after the recent babyboom, and out of all of the babies born there was ONE girl to about 14 male babies born.

But Swany, you can chose to believe or not to believe. I believe because it gives me peace. But I fully believe that God loves you just as you are, and He made you the way you are for a reason, and that reason isn't sinful at all. Don't let people tell you what is sinful or not sinful...you're a wonderful person and don't believe other wise. Lynds, same goes for you.

And Allen, I agree with a lot of your post.

YesJess

The Bible IS God's Law... In the Bible Jesus tells them to put everything they see, and send it to the 7 churches.


God doesn't change his laws according to time...

FantaOrSprite

The Bible was written by men, men err, that is their way. In the back of the Bible it says that anyone who writes anything false in the Bible will be plagued, so that means that anyone COULD write false scripture and stick it in there. You don't have to believe it, but it is possible.

It was considered a sin to eat meat at one time, God changed that after the flood.... In the Old Testament it was considered right to receive "An eye for an Eye" yet in the New Testament Jesus taught to turn the other cheek.

€arth Ångel

Stinger, Jess, and RaInBoW_bRiTe are right on everything. There's no getting past it.

I'd say what I think but it's already been said ha ha.

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YesJess

Yes, but that was changed in the BIBLE. Homosexuality WASN'T. There was never a scripture that said otherwise.