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Old 07-20-2004, 05:38 AM   #301
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I am religious and am a firm believer in my religion (Catholic) but I will never look down on anyone else. I believe everyone has the right to be happy and have a relationship, it doesnt matter what sex they are, if they are black, white or whatever. That should not and will never come into it for me. All I can wish you Daniel is the best and hope that you are both going to be very happy.

Ignore the haters or whatever, just focus on yourselves.
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Old 07-20-2004, 05:42 AM   #302
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if only everyone was like you, Emma. LOL
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Old 07-20-2004, 05:42 AM   #303
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I know lol. I was calm when I posted it but I just thought I'd release my stress Things that were lingering at the top of my mind after reading this thread.
Yeah, but saying things like I hate religion to uh, religious people is uh, not a good idea.
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Old 07-20-2004, 05:45 AM   #304
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Yeah I know. There will always be people who will be negative but you just have to ignore them and not let them bring you down.
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Old 07-20-2004, 05:47 AM   #305
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Yeah, but saying things like I hate religion to uh, religious people is uh, not a good idea.
Well, I do hate religion. I don't hate people who practive religion, but I hate the concept of it, and that's just me. It's not to offend people. Or IS it? Some have said things in here that would equal the same as me saying "I hate religion". Seriously. It's religion that de-humanizes people like me. Makes me out to be extremely different from everyone else. Compare it to religious people being American, and me being Iraqi. That's what it is to me.
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Old 07-20-2004, 07:00 AM   #306
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Well, I do hate religion. Some have said things in here that would equal the same as me saying "I hate religion". Seriously. It's religion that de-humanizes people like me. Makes me out to be extremely different from everyone else. Compare it to religious people being American, and me being Iraqi. That's what it is to me.
It's not religion that you hate. It's the tainted versions of it that you dislike, or hate. Religion, the true definition of the word, only terrorists and satanic people would hate. True religion stands for peace, it stands for what Emma pretty much said. Embracing the positives in human society, and living around the bad things. Acceptance. Open mindness. Harmony, heh.

All that is also written in that bible. It contains so many messages. Good things. Wise things. If you take away all the supersticious things and the stories and stuff, what's left is a guide to a better life. Honestly.

Not all in it is perfect. I've said that the bible is passed on from generation to generation. From human to human. Humans aren't perfect. So not everything in the bible is perfect either. It makes perfect sense. No pun intended

People make religion such a big deal, but it's not. They say you can't argue about religion cause nobody will listen. That's incorrect. You can't argue about it cause it's a belief. All you can do is accept it, or make a fuss out of things.

Many people lack the ability to be open minded enough. And that's where it all goes wrong.

It's a devil's trait, heh. Me me me. God is about everyone. Devil is about me me me. That's the reason why there's a devil in all of us. The trick is to stand above it, and act in the way that is right. THAT's what religion is originally for, I do believe. But somewhere along the lines, someone messed up. And created their own religion, based on their own interpretations. And called it religion. Osama incarnated. And THAT is what you hate. Religion, true religion, is peaceful.

From Jeremy's post, taken from the bible: "We live in a world of opposites, a struggle between two contending forces and this is dramatically reinforced in Deuteronomy: "As the heavens and earth are My witness, I have given you life and death, a blessing and a curse; and you are to choose life so that you and your descendents will live."

To me it essentially says that humans have good and bad sides. To live life the best way you can possibly do it, is to choose for the good side, and learn to live around the bad one. The training to do that, THAT is what a good religion does. That IS religion. THAT is a good world. THAT is why I find the bible is a very special artifact, and not just another book. It stands for the code to ultimate peace.

Some say the bible is holy, some say it is not. I say it was intended to be holy (as in flawless and 100% good), but imperfected by a bunch of humans throughout history. It has to be. That explains everything, from both sides.

I guess I just mean that when you say you hate religion, I know what you mean. But Common Joe who knows the true definition of religion like me, but doesn't know you, will think you're a Satanist or what. All against that what stands for peace. I post this in hopes that Common Joe will read it, and not feel offended by you, and hopefully also fulfill my job as big evil admin, and prevent someone from getting upset and lashing out at you.
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I agree with a lot of what Stinger said there. Its like the 10 commandments for me, I try to live by them as best as I can, sometimes I do, sometimes I fail, We are not perfect but we are all human in the end of the day.

I believe everyone deserves to be happy regardless of sex, colour or creed, I believe in full peace and the right of each one of us to be happy and find that one person that you wish to share your whole life with.

Daniel, you are lucky to have found that person, in the end of the day, it doesnt matter if everyone or noone agrees, its about what you want in the end of the day.
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Very true, Emma. I guess my entire point is that there people trying to STOP me from being me. Or being happy, by banning things and making things illegal and deeming me sinful and yada yada. That's where I draw the line when they TELL me that what I want and what may make me happy, is outlawed.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:36 AM   #309
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Noone has the right to do that, Its just ignorance and you have to ignore that. Its not worth it.
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Very true, Emma. I guess my entire point is that there people trying to STOP me from being me. Or being happy, by banning things and making things illegal and deeming me sinful and yada yada. That's where I draw the line when they TELL me that what I want and what may make me happy, is outlawed.
Bingo. And those people, need to go back to school. People like that give God and religion a bad name.

It starts with creating useless laws in their own countries. And it ends with flying planes in World Trade Centers. All in the name of God. All in the name of Allah. Shame shame shame...
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