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Yeah so with the WWE on TV, we're all used to watching shows like RAW and SmackDown, you could pretty much say that being the only competitors atm, those shows automatically steal the crown. It's pretty much the only thing we got, whether we like it or not.

I really miss the commotion back when WCW was still a promotion, so I went and took one of my tapes and put on one of their last PPV's just to see and remember what it was like back in those days.

For the first time I felt a little weird when watching that back and such, being used to the WWE right now, there's just so much difference, both good and bad pretty much. So I thought hell, let's make a list. Stuff that I really noticed in terms of differences between companies of which one today does not exist:

-- the arena seemed smaller

-- the ring seemed smaller

-- this I already knew, but the ring ropes in the WCW were a lot stronger, and worked less with guys leaning in them

-- no scripted wrestling, everything was improvised, that is very clear now when I watch it back

-- Goldberg's neck muscles were much bigger

-- Lex Luger

-- Goldberg gets suplexed and gets up right away, standing on his feet before the opponent gets back up from doing the move

-- Kevin Nash actually wrestles

-- DDP is a face and everyone chants his name

-- Mark Madden, Tony Shiavone

-- ^ announcers actually call moves by name

-- ^ first time in a long time I hear an announcer say "discus lariat - drop toehold - missile dropkick (instead of 'dropkick from the top rope') - headscissor takedown - superplex (instead of 'suplex from the top rope') - etc etc etc

-- Scott Steiner is at his best, and is being very smart in the ring

-- Booker T is a more serious wrestler

-- Booker T uses a chair and every one is surprised including his brother Stevie Ray

-- The real WCW World Title belt (what WWE uses is a fake version)

-- Chuck Palumbo and Shawn Stasiak are tag team Champions

-- Mark Madden calls Palumbo an all American (*has FBI moment*)

-- Ric Flair is CEO

-- Rey Mysterio doesn't wear a mask

-- Diamond Cutter and Jacknife Powerbomb at the exact same time in the ring

-- Kevin Nash with the tag team gold *memories*

-- small rampway

-- chairshot to the head doesn't make them bleed

-- Hell in a cell cage is used, but match is referred to as a normal cage match

-- Midajah (not that I really liked her looks but she carried the lead pipe!)

-- the lead pipe

-- Steiner wins the World Heavyweight gold

-- Instead of celebrating his win, he takes a chair and beats up Booker T some more

-- Steiner whacks a referee over the head with a chair

-- Booker T does a spinarooni after he did the axe kick to get back up on his feet without announcing it

-- Booker T is on his feet before Steiner recovers from the axe kick

-- Booker T puts Steiner in a straight-jacket

-- Steiner rips the straight-jacket to pieces

-- Steiner does a Steiner Recliner with the lead pipe instead of his arms

-- Goldberg does less looking around and is more focussed in the ring

-- ^ He doesn't screw up his moves either

-- ^ His entrance is classic

-- Less annoying sign boards everywhere

-- The crowd is very different

-- The sound isn't as good

-- Less pyro, less show stuff

-- Very different camera work: more boring, but better done - every move is perfectly brought onto the screen

-- The announcers table stayed intact

Ah, it's just so different. One big positive is that even though I've seen all these matches on my tape before, the moves done are still unpredictable. They really do nothing other than improvising in the ring. That's real professional wrestling. As Kevin Nash once said, you go in there with a blank mind, you got like 18 minutes, go fill them. And do it right.

The WWE should start doing that. Oh that would make them so much better. No more predictable moves, no more predictable matches.

Alright well, that was my "I miss my favorite wrestling show" rant, and added another thread to a dead place that really has too little traffic to even stay open any longer, heh.

But I'm not gonna pay for advertisement, oh no.. *runs away*

It's late, I'm tired, I hope this post even makes sense. heh

[NDD]

If you want to relive the comotion, register at WWE Shopzone and buy the Monday Night Wars DVD. I bet you'll love it.

I thought your post would've been a lot better had you mentioned some of the advantages WWE has/had over the WCW shows. I'm sure you must agree that there are some.

Anyway, the big difference between WWE and WCW is that WWE has always been more focused on the entertainment aspect. The only problem there is that it sometimes makes the in-ring action look faulty.

And WWE is also advertised as the #1 company with the best competition (the highest level). So it wouldn't be right to have every successful WCW star just walk in and be able to tear apart the WWE the way he did the WCW. Goldberg may have been able to pop up from suplexes from middleweight wrestlers and maybe even the heavyweights in WCW. But WWE is advertised to have the most skilled and dangerous competitors in the world, so of course Goldberg would have more problems on his hands.

Success in WWE is also based on your work ethics. WCW was a poorly run company with tons of backstage politics. In WWE, you have to be a hard worker and be able to work well with everyone. That's when you gain your success. For instance, Goldberg is not a reasonable worker. As a business man, he is bad. He can get away with trying to take advantage of people in the WCW, but not in the WWE.

I don't know if Steiner is being held back or what. But I think his lack of success may be attributed to health issues. Maybe he isn't 100%, I don't know. But he is S-L-O-W in the ring.

Booker is much more serious now than he was when he was introduced during the Invasion. If you're looking for the old WCW Booker T, this is probably him right now (except for using the Spin-A-Roonie at the wrong time).

Kevin Nash is just injury prone and past his prime. It's not his fault. He just doesn't have the health to wrestle anymore. It's nobody's fault, really.

And as for announcers, WWE announcers know the names of moves too (well, except for Coach). A missile dropkick is a dropkick from the top rope. At least they described it correctly. A superplex is a suplex from the top rope. They call and describe the action very well, and that's all that can be asked. Actually, I never liked how WCW announcers acted like even the notion of beating someone up after a match was the end of the world and got completely out of breath from screaming their lungs out because of it. But again, I guess it's just a difference in how each product was marketed.

[PapRoach123]

Oops, I forgot all about this thread. Ah well, it's still on the first page, so what the hell.

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Originally posted by NDD
If you want to relive the comotion, register at WWE Shopzone and buy the Monday Night Wars DVD. I bet you'll love it.

Well, shipping costs are up to 30 bucks, so I decided to download it instead. It's indeed a great documentary. It opens up a lot of eyes, especially in terms of the roughness in the business. Ted Turner did have a good one in Eric Bischoff, heh. I bet the old bastard loved it. One thing I've always disliked about WCW was how it always looked at what the WWF did. But that's Ted Turner's personality all the way. That dude doesn't care much about money or success, because he has plenty of that already. WCW was just his way of taking stabs at the WWF, nothing more, nothing less. That attitude really screwed everything up. WCW had the talent, and the potential to become a great independent promotion. But because Ted Turner didn't give a shit about the company itself, it was never allowed. heh. He wanted it to be a weapon rather than a good show.

Originally posted by NDD
I thought your post would've been a lot better had you mentioned some of the advantages WWE has/had over the WCW shows. I'm sure you must agree that there are some.

Well I don't know how you chose to interpret my post of course, but I mentioned several of those up there too.

Originally posted by NDD
Anyway, the big difference between WWE and WCW is that WWE has always been more focused on the entertainment aspect. The only problem there is that it sometimes makes the in-ring action look faulty.

I dunno if the word 'always' is the right word there, but the WWE has become more entertainment-like, over the years in itself yeah. And doing a great job at it at that. But over the past few months I did see improvement here and there. I think that they're really working on making things look better lately.

Originally posted by NDD
And WWE is also advertised as the #1 company with the best competition (the highest level). So it wouldn't be right to have every successful WCW star just walk in and be able to tear apart the WWE the way he did the WCW. Goldberg may have been able to pop up from suplexes from middleweight wrestlers and maybe even the heavyweights in WCW. But WWE is advertised to have the most skilled and dangerous competitors in the world, so of course Goldberg would have more problems on his hands.

Correct, that's what I mean. They made Goldberg look like this indestructable guy, while people like Kevin Nash and DDP, and especially Sting (which I found really bad) look like toys, heh. Sting had been carrying the company since it was still refered to as the AWA, and suddenly in comes rookie Bill and dominates him like he's nothing. The WWE does a better job at this, I think.

Originally posted by NDD
Success in WWE is also based on your work ethics. WCW was a poorly run company with tons of backstage politics. In WWE, you have to be a hard worker and be able to work well with everyone. That's when you gain your success. For instance, Goldberg is not a reasonable worker. As a business man, he is bad. He can get away with trying to take advantage of people in the WCW, but not in the WWE.

Yeah exactly. Thing is though even in the WWE Goldberg will take advantage whenever he can. Like this:

WWE: Well Goldberg, your contract expires, and we really don't think we'll be extending it...
Goldberg: But you need me.
WWE: No we don't, we got Lesnar.
Lesnar: Yo I'm outta here!
WWE:
Goldberg:
WWE:
Goldberg: And I want higher pay, and I want less TV time, and I want a backstage manager who can carry my bags for me...
WWE:

You know.. like that. lol

Originally posted by NDD
I don't know if Steiner is being held back or what. But I think his lack of success may be attributed to health issues. Maybe he isn't 100%, I don't know. But he is S-L-O-W in the ring.

Yeah he probably isn't. His fire is definitely gone. He's been gone from the ring for a while now though, so perhaps he'll be in better shape once he returns.

Originally posted by NDD
Booker is much more serious now than he was when he was introduced during the Invasion. If you're looking for the old WCW Booker T, this is probably him right now (except for using the Spin-A-Roonie at the wrong time).

No, he's still different, but that's more a personality thing of his character I think. The big difference is that he was a midcarder then and he's a main guy now. Only that doesn't always apply to everybody because Benoit is still as focussed as he always was. He's a wrestling without a gimmick pretty much. Booker T used to be like that. Perhaps he sells better with a gimmick though. He sure has the qualities to stand out. I'm not unhappy with him at least. He's fun to see. Well except for the Spin-A-Roonie at the wrong time thing of course.

Originally posted by NDD
Kevin Nash is just injury prone and past his prime. It's not his fault. He just doesn't have the health to wrestle anymore. It's nobody's fault, really.

I'm afraid you're right. With a size his body is, the knees are pretty much always a problem. I'm really surprised that the Big Show doesn't have a lot of injuries at all, actually.

Originally posted by NDD
And as for announcers, WWE announcers know the names of moves too (well, except for Coach). A missile dropkick is a dropkick from the top rope. At least they described it correctly. A superplex is a suplex from the top rope. They call and describe the action very well, and that's all that can be asked. Actually, I never liked how WCW announcers acted like even the notion of beating someone up after a match was the end of the world and got completely out of breath from screaming their lungs out because of it. But again, I guess it's just a difference in how each product was marketed.

I got the idea that you were watching the wrong WCW. Those announcers hardly ever screamed their lungs out, heh. They were really relaxed most of the time. When I first watched the WWF, I switched the audio to the German announcers for that very reason. King and J.R. were going crazy over nothing, heh. King goes nuts when he sees the word 'female'. He reacts like they're nothing more but pieces of meat every time. It gets so annoying that I want to slap him, heh. It's like he's never been with a girl in his entire life. He screams as if he just saw God walking around the arena. Damn, heh.

I've come to like J.R. a lot. He's pretty cool, and a veteran too. King's just a dweeb in my opinion. When he's serious, he does alright, but he can be so incredibly annoying...

I like Cole and Tazz on SmackDown. Those two really create an environment, and they set down good characters. Tazz provides a lot of strategy talk to the matches, which I find really useful. And meanwhile Cole calls the action in general, I think they make a good team.

[NDD]

Originally posted by Stinger
No, he's still different, but that's more a personality thing of his character I think. The big difference is that he was a midcarder then and he's a main guy now. Only that doesn't always apply to everybody because Benoit is still as focussed as he always was. He's a wrestling without a gimmick pretty much. Booker T used to be like that. Perhaps he sells better with a gimmick though. He sure has the qualities to stand out. I'm not unhappy with him at least. He's fun to see. Well except for the Spin-A-Roonie at the wrong time thing of course.

Well I think we're witnessing the return of the Booker T you rave about.

Take a look at Smackdown!, Booker's new home. In one show, he has easily shifted into heel mode and he is conducting his business in a damn serious manner. No more jokes, no more Spin-A-Roonies. He almost won the WWE Title last night from Eddie Guerrero. You'll be pleased, Stinger. I'm very sure of this.

Originally posted by Stinger
I got the idea that you were watching the wrong WCW. Those announcers hardly ever screamed their lungs out, heh. They were really relaxed most of the time. When I first watched the WWF, I switched the audio to the German announcers for that very reason. King and J.R. were going crazy over nothing, heh. King goes nuts when he sees the word 'female'. He reacts like they're nothing more but pieces of meat every time. It gets so annoying that I want to slap him, heh. It's like he's never been with a girl in his entire life. He screams as if he just saw God walking around the arena. Damn, heh.

I've come to like J.R. a lot. He's pretty cool, and a veteran too. King's just a dweeb in my opinion. When he's serious, he does alright, but he can be so incredibly annoying...

I like Cole and Tazz on SmackDown. Those two really create an environment, and they set down good characters. Tazz provides a lot of strategy talk to the matches, which I find really useful. And meanwhile Cole calls the action in general, I think they make a good team.

Oh yes, I too am annoyed greatly by King's juvenile announcing. Plus, he has a lot of unintelligent, nonsensical things to say about things other than the women. I mean, he switches horses so damn much. His opinions are inconsistent in many cases. It's annoying. The only time he sounds smart is when he is put next to Coach.

Tazz is cool. I love his analyses of strategy. Cole is annoying. Cole is good, yes. But he's annoying as hell because he is just so clueless. He can't ever put 2 and 2 together and figure something out for himself. And I admire his passion and his dedication to making someone seem like a horrible villain. But I just can't help but think he's too easily offended. I don't know. Cole doesn't get many breaks from me. He just flat out annoys me. But he has skills, no doubt. I respect him and his accomplishments in his career.

As for J.R., he is what every announcer should strive to be like. He's excellent. He always remains unbiased untill he gets pushed over the edge. He has clever anecdotes and is very knowledgeable. And he's ALWAYS well prepared with a lot of info for every match. And that's all any fan could ask for.

[PapRoach123]

Originally posted by NDD
Well I think we're witnessing the return of the Booker T you rave about.

Take a look at Smackdown!, Booker's new home. In one show, he has easily shifted into heel mode and he is conducting his business in a damn serious manner. No more jokes, no more Spin-A-Roonies. He almost won the WWE Title last night from Eddie Guerrero. You'll be pleased, Stinger. I'm very sure of this.

Oooooh I can't wait! *looks at download* 17.9%. 36 hours to go at current speed. We're slow today.

I'll go ahead and pause the TNA download while SmackDown is downloading then. It might help me some. Is that anywhere on TV, btw? I never download it, but the one from March 24 features the return of Sting. Can't pass on that one.

Originally posted by NDD
Oh yes, I too am annoyed greatly by King's juvenile announcing. Plus, he has a lot of unintelligent, nonsensical things to say about things other than the women. I mean, he switches horses so damn much. His opinions are inconsistent in many cases. It's annoying. The only time he sounds smart is when he is put next to Coach.

I agree yeah. The first 'heel' announcer I ever witnessed was Mark Madden, and at first I was like, holy crap what a dumb bastard. But after a few months I did start to respect the man, because he was very consistent in his words and he pretty much always sucked up to heels like Triple H now. He btw, was the man who thought up the phraze 'spin-a-roonie'. The move never really had a name until mid 2000 when during a match Booker T did it again, and Mark just said "spin-a-roonie spin-a-roonie spin-a-roonie". I remember I found that so annoying when he did that, but it became a household name. lol

Originally posted by NDD
Tazz is cool. I love his analyses of strategy. Cole is annoying. Cole is good, yes. But he's annoying as hell because he is just so clueless. He can't ever put 2 and 2 together and figure something out for himself. And I admire his passion and his dedication to making someone seem like a horrible villain. But I just can't help but think he's too easily offended. I don't know. Cole doesn't get many breaks from me. He just flat out annoys me. But he has skills, no doubt. I respect him and his accomplishments in his career.

As for J.R., he is what every announcer should strive to be like. He's excellent. He always remains unbiased untill he gets pushed over the edge. He has clever anecdotes and is very knowledgeable. And he's ALWAYS well prepared with a lot of info for every match. And that's all any fan could ask for.

Did you notice that in January Tazz started to back up the heels a bit? He still does it sometimes, but it doesn't sound all that convincing, hehe. It's funny though.

I kinda noticed what you say about Cole (I keep tying Cola), but it's not really annoying to me. At least not yet! He is good at stating the obvious though. But that's no crime, hehe.

In WCW they had this announcer called Mike Tenay, who now works for NWA-TNA. They call him the Professor because he knows everything about wrestling and wrestling moves. He's a walking library, lol. I thought I was gonna miss him a lot, but J.R. makes it all right again.

What is a boomer-sooner, btw? *is clueless*

[NDD]

I don't know what the Boomer part means. But a Sooner is a person who goes to the University of Oklahoma. J.R. is a dedicated Oklahoma Sooner. It's like the Missouri Tigers or the St. Louis Cardinals or whatnot.

TNA is on television. But only on PPV. They don't have a primetime cable slot.

[PapRoach123]

Originally posted by NDD
I don't know what the Boomer part means. But a Sooner is a person who goes to the University of Oklahoma. J.R. is a dedicated Oklahoma Sooner. It's like the Missouri Tigers or the St. Louis Cardinals or whatnot.

TNA is on television. But only on PPV. They don't have a primetime cable slot.

Ah I see. You know, it was the Monday Night Wars DVD that made me realize that the character "Oklahoma" they had in WCW was nothing more than a mockery of J.R. I found that dude so extremely annoying, and I didn't understand his purpose. But it makes much more sense now, heh. He was dressed like J.R. and all. Have you seen the Monday Night Wars?

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Originally posted by Stinger
Ah I see. You know, it was the Monday Night Wars DVD that made me realize that the character "Oklahoma" they had in WCW was nothing more than a mockery of J.R. I found that dude so extremely annoying, and I didn't understand his purpose. But it makes much more sense now, heh. He was dressed like J.R. and all. Have you seen the Monday Night Wars?

Oh yeah. I've definitely seen Monday Night Wars. It's my favorite WWE dvd. I thought the imitation of J.R. was a pretty cheap shot. Although, I guess what goes around comes around considering WWE created Gilberg, the Huckster, the Nacho Man, and Billionaire Ted.

Anyway, I just found out that Boomer Sooner is the name of the OU fight song. So Boomer Sooner is a song title.

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Originally posted by Stinger

WWE: Well Goldberg, your contract expires, and we really don't think we'll be extending it...
Goldberg: But you need me.
WWE: No we don't, we got Lesnar.
Lesnar: Yo I'm outta here!
WWE:
Goldberg:
WWE:
Goldberg: And I want higher pay, and I want less TV time, and I want a backstage manager who can carry my bags for me...
WWE:

You know.. like that. lol [/b]

LMAO! I just saw this and couldnt help but respond! thats hysterical!! I got the Monday Night Wars DVD and I must say its pretty interesting to see what happened back then. I recommend it to all WWE fans.