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01-21-2006, 09:11 AM
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| Are the fans destroying wrestling? (fascinating article) | | Read this article and feedback in its original format here. The Fans Are Destroying Pro-Wrestling
January 17, 2006 by Jose Perez This is the first time that I have decided to write a wrestling related column, so I hope I can receive some feedback.
Day in and day out, I read columns on how unsatisfied wrestling fans are, and how wrestling should be, could be and would be. Sure, Vince McMahon commits mistakes. Sure, sometimes the wrestlers don't give it their all, but above all this, there is one thing that has stood out to me as the main reason as to why wrestling is not as exciting as it was a few years back. THE FANS. You ask how the fans are to blame for something we have no control over? Well, I think that the fans do have control. Let me explain.
Many people know that wrestling has evolved throughout the years, as do all forms of entertainment. There were the WWWF days, the WWF days, the WWF New Generation, the Monday Night Wars, The Attitude Era, and finally today's wrestling. Out of all the fans that are linked to all these different eras, it's today's fans that really bother me.
Today, the fans watch wrestling, but don't really care who wins, as long as a good match, feud or storyline is taking place, and that's fine, but at the same time it takes away the essence and point of a match, the real purpose of why two people are facing each other. There are very few times where the fans have really cared about who has won a match. Some examples are when Chris Benoit won the World Title at WrestleMania XX, or when Shelton Benjamin beat Triple H on RAW. Besides that, we don't give a thought as to who really wins a match. Back in the old days, the fans always wanted a winner in a match. Bruno Sammartino held the WWWF Title for nearly eight years and was praised for it. The fans went crazy when the Ultimate Warrior was able to defeat the "Immortal" Hulk Hogan. Fans would go nuts when a face wrestler would win by a simple Disqualification. Today, if a match ends in a Disqualification, we blame McMahon for screwing up a storyline or destroying a good match, and that's why we hardly see Disqualifications anymore.
How many times have fans chanted "You screwed up", when a wrestler might have botched his spot? Almost all the time. Have you never screwed up in life? Have you never committed an error at work? Again, that takes away the storytelling in matches, and we care more about a moonsault that is botched up, instead of a man who beat the Champion for a Title. Sure, wrestling is entertainment, but when you get on the wrestler's back because he slipped or something like that, it ruins the entertainment value. How many of us knew back then, if a move was botched, or a match was choreographed? Nobody or hardly anybody, and that kept the excitement centered in the match. We would even cheer a mere punch leading to a start of a comeback, but now all we do is boo when we see nothing else but punches.
The fans have also turned wrestling into a parody. Every time a ref counts "two" the fans yell "TWOOOOOOOO". Two is part of the match, just accept it. Fans will chant "boring" if a match is not full of "high spots", blood or weapons. Back in the old days, the use of a weapon was seen as taboo, now a days, without them, we seem to get bored. When a referee receives a bump, the fans will start to look at the dressing room to see who will come down and interfere in the match. Back in the old days, a referee would get yelled at if he didn't catch a heel cheating or if he missed a face tag. The fans would yell at the referee, calling him "blind", "dumb" or any other name in the book.
Pay-Per-Views themselves have become meaningless because the fans have destroyed their purpose. Back in the old days, Pay-Per-Views would hold matches that were rare to see, or a first time ever. Ultimate Warrior vs. Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart vs. H.B.K., Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat. Today, Pay-Per-Views are showing matches that we can easily see on RAW or Smackdown!. Why are the fans to blame? Simple. Back then, fans would watch WWF Television and enjoy a Superstar beating on a jobber, thus a Pay-Per-View would be much more meaningful, especially since feuds were built up longer and better. Today, fans would turn off the TV if we were to see Triple H face Speedy Delivery Jones, or Chris Benoit take on Iron Mike Sharpe. So, of course, if you're Vince McMahon, you're thinking "Man it's hard to make good shows day in and day out with Pay-Per-View quality matches, because that's what the fans want". Quite simply, we want quality television, and this leads to Pay-Per-View matches that are repetitive and have no special meaning.
Many people have blamed the Internet for the drop in entertainment. Well guess what? Wrestling Internet sites are made by THE FANS. We're the ones who decide to post news and spoilers on websites. We're the ones who decided to destroy kayfabe. We're the ones who decide to read spoilers, making us know how a match will turn out when we watch it on TV. Are you obligated to read the news on a website? Are you obligated to read the spoilers on a website? NO. So why do it, and then complain that the wrestling show was not stunning, surprising, or even that it was boring?
Not only are Internet sites used for spoilers and news, but the fans also use it to make a lot of contradictions. Yes, we are all entitled to state our opinion, but when we criticize one thing, then at the same time ask for the opposite to be done, it's hard to really know what the fans want. We claim that Chris Benoit winning the World Title was so special, and made the World Title more meaningful because he is the best wrestler the WWE has, yet at the same time, people criticize Batista for not having microphone skills or Triple H for using the same promos over and over again. WHAT THE HECK DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?
Back in the good old days, wrestlers got more over because the fans would accept the fact that they needed to be pushed little by little with the help of jobbers. Back in the old days, almost every wrestler got cheered, even the jobbers who got in some shots on the heel that was being pushed, because the fans actually thought that the jobber had a chance to win. Today, all we do is criticize gimmicks without giving them a chance, like Eugene or The Boogeyman. Remember the debut of the Undertaker? How many people who saw that Pay-Per-View Live, can say that they not were impressed by the man himself, the way he looked and how big he was? Today, we see a gimmick and we’re already bashing it when it debuts.
Why can't a match just have two opponents put together for the sake of seeing who the winner will be? Why not have a match to see who the best wrestler is to climb a step up the virtual ladder to the Championship? No, we have to nit pick about every match needing a storyline, but then as a contradiction, we wish for more wrestling in the shows.
The fans have the tendency to criticize a wrestler's ability, without realizing the need of having variety in the mix. We constantly criticize wrestlers because they can't "carry a match", they can't "put on a figure four" or whatever crazy thing we can come up with. But tell me this, is it really necessary? The Big Show is a 500 pound man, who uses his style to perfection. He's there to use his size as an advantage. Sure, he can't drop kick, but why would he want to, if he can step on your stomach and knock the wind out of you? Seriously though, it bothers me when people say that big men shouldn't get pushes because they can't wrestle, but tell me this, if you're watching a wrestling match, as much wrestling is a way of escaping from reality, can you honestly think that a two hundred pound guy is going beat up a five hundred pound guy like it was nothing. Why was Andre the Giant so successful? Because people saw him as unbeatable, and he played the unbeatable character perfectly, but now we complain about Big Show, because he uses a slap on the chest, instead of a hurricarana.
We dictate who a World Champion should be, but then complain that his push was too quick. What do people want? It makes no sense at all. I remember a few years back, people were saying that Cena would be the "Next Big Thing", and that he would have a WWE Title reign. Now that he's the WWE Champion, people are sick of seeing him carry the Title, and now want it on Angle (which I think deserves the title, because he is the best wrestler the WWE has right now). Back in the old days, Hulk Hogan had no ability and only had charisma, yet the fans just loved him as World Champion and could never get enough of him. No one was thinking, "Why is this man holding the World Title for so long?", "Why is this man not putting his opponents over?” etc. etc.
Many people say that a face chasing a heel for the Title is more exciting than a heel chasing a face. Why? I don't see the difference. Back in the old days, faces were the only wrestlers that held the World Title (mainly), and the fans still gave the Title prestige. Then when things started changing, with people like Sergeant Slaughter, Yokozuna etc., the fans didn't stop watching. The fans didn't start criticizing McMahon. The fans would tune in every week, to see who would be the "great" wrestler that would finally put the World Champion to his knees.
Sure, I criticize McMahon as much as the next guy. Sure, I think the WWE can be better in many ways, but seriously, why can't we all just sit back, and enjoy the product, like the good old days, and not be so nit picky. Why do we have to criticize every little thing, without giving credit to what the wrestlers are trying to put across? It would make wrestling more exciting and it would just make wrestling much more fun.
Day in and day out, I read how people "threaten" to stop watching the WWE and that makes me laugh. This leads to the fact that there are two types of wrestling fans, whether people accept the fact or not. Out of everyone who watches WWE, 95% of them are WWE fans, despite the fact that they claim to be a wrestling fan. Why? Because they never give any other wrestling promotion a chance, and claim other promotions are boring. Really? You can honestly say that a body slam in WWE is super exciting, yet when someone in T.N.A or R.O.H. does it, it's not exciting? What's the difference? C'mon, just because an independent promotion does not have the same production value or names as the WWE, does not mean that the wrestling is worse. It's the same damn sport, we're talking about. The same moves, the same action, so stop calling yourselves wrestling fans, when 95% of you are really WWE fans.
In closing, I just want to mention, that I've been living in Spain for the past eight years, and I don't receive WWE Television. I used to receive WCW Television until it got sold to the WWE. I used to get Smackdown! on a German channel for about two years, when all of a sudden they stopped showing it. Now I get TNA Impact! on Eurosport every two weeks and I love it. BUT, to all those people who write in, complaining about the WWE, saying that will stop watching it, saying how it sucks, etc. etc. I have two things to say. One; read what I have said and learn to appreciate wrestling more. Two; if you want to, let's trade places. Come to Spain, where they don't have wrestling, I will go back to Canada and believe me, when you live eight years without watching the sport you love like I have, you'll learn to criticize it a lot less, and will learn to just sit back and watch the great action. |
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01-21-2006, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NDD In closing, I just want to mention, that I've been living in Spain for the past eight years, and I don't receive WWE Television. I used to receive WCW Television until it got sold to the WWE. I used to get Smackdown! on a German channel for about two years, when all of a sudden they stopped showing it. Now I get TNA Impact! on Eurosport every two weeks and I love it. BUT, to all those people who write in, complaining about the WWE, saying that will stop watching it, saying how it sucks, etc. etc. I have two things to say. One; read what I have said and learn to appreciate wrestling more. Two; if you want to, let's trade places. Come to Spain, where they don't have wrestling, I will go back to Canada and believe me, when you live eight years without watching the sport you love like I have, you'll learn to criticize it a lot less, and will learn to just sit back and watch the great action.[/i] | That's hitting tough nails with heads! And you can only know the feeling when you are a wrestling fan and are in such a particular situation.
Not Spain, but very same situation for me and thousands of other wrestling fans. We'll never get bored with it, as long as they keep it away from us. The only positive matter of this situation.
That's the problem with most fans in WWE's country, the US (or any other country that airs EVERY DAMN wrestling show). They're spoiled ... big time, tehir demands become higher and higher. Nothing will do anymore.
Heh. Oh well. People will always whine too much about anything.
And finally for my 'feedback', internet killed wrestling? Fucking hell, if I didn't have internet, I would have been without wrestling at all! At least now I can still follow it through websites and torrent files 
Even decided to contribute to it. Spreading wrestling wmv files, downloadable for any kind of cable/modem user! Maybe not good quality, but if it's the only way to watch wrestling matches, it will surely do! 
The site is meant for everyone who wants to re-watch matches, but especially for all the fans who can't watch wrestling on TV where they live! I don't care whether it's stealing or not, they stole wrestling from me (and many others) by canceling it on TV. However they might have taken away the wrestling on TV, they didn't take away my passion for it, so I had to search for different resort, which thankfully I found.
Thank you for posting, Nick. It was a good read. |
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01-21-2006, 09:30 AM
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| How can anyone ever sit there and blame the FANS for the collapse of wrestling right now?!
Do you actually think fans want to see people like Chris Masters, Heidenreich pushed well and then fail to wrestle properly. No wonder they aren't interested!
Do fans want to see Vince McMahon's endless pushing sex over substance with people like Candice Michelle! NOTE TO CANDICE: Women do not act like you EVER!
And do fand want to see a lame ass rapper win the title for nine months when stars like Angle and Michaels can work fabulously with the belt!
The reason why wrestling is failing right now are the men in suits upstairs, particularly Vinnie Mac and writer Stephanie. The fans know who should be pushed. The fans know know what matches they want to see. The fans know who is a talented wrestler and who isnt. But the men upstairs dont care.
By the way when I say fans, I'm not talking about the people who cheer incesantly when Candice is moving around or when Boogeyman shows his presence. I'm talking about the hardcore fans who know what to do to fix WWE. Listen to THEM and WWE will take off again! |
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01-21-2006, 02:13 PM
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| Fans don't know shit, Duffyboy. They like to think they do, but they're assed up little losers with nothing but a TV and fan made internet pages to feed their so called "knowledge" of where to take a company they don't even know how it's functioning.
Also, fans do not all agree on the same shit. I'm a hardcore wrestling fan, have been so for years, not the so called WWE fan that the writer of this article is talking about. I know a lot about the business, listened to countless of shoot interviews from dozens of wrestlers, read a lot of what there is to read, and yet I am not standing up like an ego tripper on steriods saying I can tell everybody what to do.
Any mark that says they can turn around what is happening to "their wrestling" is a dumbass. The writer of this article is right in so many ways, however I do not agree that the fans alone are responsible for the state of wrestling right now. It's the fact that the audience changed from grown up people and their children watchign Hulk Hogan, to teenagers in their puberties drooling at Stacy Keibler.
Everybody knows teenagers think they know everything. Whatever their parents explain to them, they know better. Whatever their teachers teach, they can do better. Everything that other people do, they can do better.
I think people like you who boo John Cena need to grow up. John Cena is a damn good performer, and back when I explained to you why, you didn't even reply anymore. Couldn't help but notice the irony in your usertitle when the time comes that you are challenged to defend your points, you back down. Kind of like JBL. He's got a big mouth, but when he is challenged for real backstage by one Chuck Polumbo, JBL backs down in the middle of the locker room with all the guys there.
Yes, I too have been annoyed by fan reactions throughout matches and events. But it's only logical seeing as the WWE changed their target audience to teenagers. For this reason most hardcore wrestling fans like me can only dream of what wrestling used to be like. And then there's Vince McMahon who makes me dream of what wrestling in WCW was like back in the day. My WCW videotapes have become very valuable to me. There you see wrestlers who actually control their own characters, as opposed to having people control the whole thing for them. The fans included. Cause of all the booing John Cena, soon he'll be heel again, while he makes a great face it it weren't for the WWE bookers to screw up his potential. Had he had more say into his own character like in the beginning, he'd be much more interesting than now. But of course people like you only see the superficial surface and immediately judge him as a performer, whereas there is a definite difference between WWE John Cena and "other" John Cena. Hell there's already a difference between him on RAW and on SD!.
It's not his fault. The WWE are control freaks and he has the belt. Give me one wrestler who is going to be exciting holding the championship. Nobody, cause they are not allowed to throw in their own flavour. Which is why all the fans are not happy with any champ thrown at them. Give Angle a few months and people will be sick of him too. No matter how good a wrestler he is.
When Batista won the title from HHH, even I was relieved. And now that Batista is/was the champ, how many title defences has he had? You can count them on one hand. What is his storyline? Teaming with Rey Mysterio. Biggest guy on the SmackDown card teaming with the smallest guy on the card and they expect that to work while he is still wearing the World Title Belt. Oh hell lets give him the meaningless Tag Team championships while we're at it then. One match, no feud to speak of and a backstage scene ripped from TNA later, Batista and Rey have the Tag belts. How long have they been tagging together? Um, never.
That's not Batista's fault, it's poor booking. But I'm not going to go and tell them what they should do. I'm the fan here, they need to surprise me, that's the idea of the whole thing. Yeah, I'm still watching the WWE and I'm still enjoying it, because I'm a hardcore fan. I don't care how much they or the company screw up, I want to see my favorite wrestlers compete and that's the bottom line. |
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