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Old 02-15-2004, 12:51 PM   #50
Errick
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Originally posted by FormerlyLBFG
^^Errick, some of that was good points. In fact, a whole lot of it was good points, but the part I disagree with is the not respecting people's decisions.

I fully agree that those are bad things to do and can mess any person up quite a bit, BUT on the other hand, a person also has a right to do those things PROVIDED they don't hurt anyone else on the side. While many people take drugs and/or alcohol and then get all violent/nasty/etc, and others get all this way or that...not violent, necessarily, but ways which hurt others somehow or other (driving accidents caused by, for example), but then there ALSO are those people who can do stuff like that and then NOT get in car wrecks/etc (because they have sense enough not to drive), and NOT do this or that/etc, and just get all high with their friends in some room somewhere, and it wears off in like a few days or so........now, while I am not condoning drug usage, I hardly think you should be so on-the-attack against anyone who is a drug user.

The habit is lame/etc, YES, but you shouldn't be attacking the PEOPLE who have those habits unless those people are causing violence/accidents/distressing other people/etc... (which not all are).

"If all you want to do is argue (in a responding post) that it is your right and your freedom to try what you want then don't even bother, 'cause I've heard it all before."


So, in other words, what you are saying is that you are closed-minded and will not accept anyone as human who uses drugs? That's highly hypocritical, considering you were once that way yourself, unless I read you wrong.

I'm not saying you have to accept the habit but I AM saying you have to accept the person AND you have to accept that that person has that habit AND you have to accept that that person is not going to change his/her habit because you throw similar things in the person's face 24/7.

Is that going to make them stop? NO
Is that going to make them hate you? maybe
Is that going to lose you a friend? quite possibly

You don't have to support the habit, but you should support the person. Talk things through with him/her, not shove your personal anti-drug agenda down their throats. Tell them you don't approve and that's fine. If, every time you see them, you leave and tell them you won't be friends with them unless they are "clean" of it and won't speak to them otherwise,....hmmm........you're just fueling fire and actually contributing MORE to the drug use than anything. (Think about it---if a person started drugs for whatever reason, and you were his/her friend and decided to stop being their friend because of that, that will probably depress them more, making them take the drugs MORE, not less!)

Use your brain and use your heart. You are young and maybe have not thought this far ahead yet, but does your heart really tell you to HATE such people? If so, I'd say that's not much of a heart, and I'd also be extremely surprised to see/hear that from you as well.

Besides, if you are THERE for the person (YES, it is okay to leave WHEN they are going to do drugs), and if you show them how fun and great of a person YOU are and show them your skills and show them that you do NOT do drugs.....and show them your determination....I think THAT would be more of a deterrent than anything, and if they still do drugs after that, oh well, keep being their friends ANYWAY! ......Friendship isn't conditional. If it is something that is conditional, that isn't friendship. Maybe they will quit sometime down the road. I can tell you they most certainly won't ever quit if you give them your current kind of an attitude on it, though.
What I meant by "always" telling people how I stand on things, when they're talking about partying and stuff like that [that I don't care about] they say how messed up they are, and I tell them that they're pretty much wasting their life away. I wouldn't ever desert them, come on. I'm not that bad of a person.

Do you think I walk around waiting for someone to say something to me about drugs/cigarettes/drinking? They present it upon themselves for me to pick at. It's my job to do it, because they don't realize what they're doing with their lives. It takes a view from the other side to make them open their eyes. They want to seem cool by mentioning it to me or mentioning it to their friends so that they'll receive some sort of prize. If anything, you will lose what you have to get what you think you need. Only resulting in a life full of darkness and misery, not to mention depression.

I know how to treat people. I'm not insincere. I was just venting on how dumb people can be. I support them as living people, but I just wish that they knew what will happen on the day they die from what they do or just when they die. They will be judged for the, in my opinion, meaningless empty lives that they lived. If that's all they concern themselves with, that is all they will get. That's my view on people who destroy their lives every day from simple curiosity. Sure, try it once, and then you know what it feels like. You don't have to continue doing it because you'll then get addicted to it. And addictions lead to downfalls, and maybe that's what they need. To be broken to be able to piece back their life together. The right way. Otherwise, it'll happen again.
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